Least Favorite of the 5 Live Action Trek Series

[RandyS]

Enterprise is my least favorite for the following reasons:

1. The first two seasons were watered down Voyager rip-offs.
2. Season three was pointless. The Xindi were the single worst (and useless) race ever created for Star Trek.
3. T'Pol was a Seven of Nine knock-off.
4. Phlox was likewise a Neelix knock-off.
5. Archer was a whiny little boy who couldn't let go of the "wrongs" the Vulcans did to his dad.
6. Trip was an unlikeable jerk from start to finish.
7. The three most likable characters, Reed, Hoshi, and Travis were not featured enough.
8. Just as it was FINALLY getting good, the show gets cancelled, and we get TATV.
9. And lest we forget, the decontamination scenes designed to titilate teenage boys (and maybe girls, who knows).

And ironically, I'd rather watch Enterprise again, than anything else on TV. Even bad Star Trek is better than other shows.

 

[DevilEyes]

4. Phlox was likewise a Neelix knock-off.

Now this I really don't get. What does he have in common with Neelix? He's an alien and he kinda looks funny? For starters, can a good character can be a knock-off of a far inferior character? Furthermore, Neelix was a more or less useless guy Voyager picked up along the way, whose role on the ship never made sense. Phlox was the ship's doctor, an actual useful member of the crew with necessary skills. He was also smart, and his optimism had a witty and ironic edge to it, and he seemed quite content with his family back home. Neelix had a tragic background; he acted over-cheery (without any irony) to make up for his traumas and the loss of his family, but he was was really not that smart (to put it mildly), and didn't realize why he was getting on the nerves of some of the crew with his attitude.

And if anything, T'Pol is a knock-off of Spock, with gender reversed. And in a catsuit.

 

[RandyS]

^It was the catsuit (and the exploitation thereof) that made her a Seven of Nine knock-off. Like Seven of Nine, she was there to bring in ratings. Nothing more. Vulcans are scientists for the most part, so her having the same job as Spock really wasn't that much of a stretch.

As for Phlox, I can't say what it was, he just reminded me of Neelix, that's all.

 

[NIUPonyBoy]

TOS: Remember my father watching the tv show, I started liking ST due to the TOS movies and the Ent-A. The TV show did suffer a lot from the silly and naive views of the time. Movies were hit and miss.
TNG: What kept me watching ST. Troi and Wes and the bleed thru from TOS of some of the silly stuff hurt it. Picard was ok, but did get way too wimpy and flustered.
DS9: Didn't watch much as I found to be sooo boring when it first came out and never went back.
VOY: Sucked. Plain and simple. Had some good epsiodes here and there, but overall garabage.
ENT: I liked it. The prettiest of all of the shows, also had hit and miss shows. They killed it just as it was getting into it's own.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

DS9: Didn't watch much as I found to be sooo boring when it first came out and never went back.

That said, with some of the views I've seen you express over time, I actually think that you would be a perfect DS9 fan now if you went back and re-watched it with some idea of what to expect. PM me if you're curious to know some points I think you'd find interesting.

 

[NIUPonyBoy]

I actually want to go back and watch it. But I only get TNG and TOS on cable here and am not going to be buying DVD seasons yet.

 

[SFRabid]

By the logic some use in this thread, every sexy white male used after TOS should be considered a knockoff of Kirk. All the other wihte males are knockoffs of McCoy.

 

[Nevyn]

Enterprise, without a doubt: inconsistent characters, dull plots, and extensive use of, as Brannon Braga puts it, continuity porn.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

I actually want to go back and watch it. But I only get TNG and TOS on cable here and am not going to be buying DVD seasons yet.

I've heard you can get it on Netflix...though I also hear their business practices are shit.

 

[Kai Winn]

I actually want to go back and watch it. But I only get TNG and TOS on cable here and am not going to be buying DVD seasons yet.

problems to find youtube? tos, tng, and voy are completely there in english, ds9 and ent many episodes. all eps of ds9 are there in german until the end of s3, complete in a few weeks.

 

[You_Guyz]

Enterprise, without a doubt: inconsistent characters, dull plots, and extensive use of, as Brannon Braga puts it, continuity porn.

Braga appeared to think simply keeping the number of crewmen on Voyager consistent was continuity porn. The guy just didn't seem to think any type of continuity was worth it, what he didn't realise is that continuity is essential for us to believe in characters and believe in their plight.

Now you are obviously referring to Enterprise season 4 which I don't condier to have had too much continuity, it didn't stifle the creativity of the series at all. Enterprise was my first show and I still enjoyed season 4 immensely without getting all the nods to continuity.

 

[species5618]

Having seen the entire run of all 5 of the live action shows, Voyager without a doubt is my least favourite series--very little consistency, too many 'aliens of the week' and by season 5 it felt like the only characters the writers gave a damn about were Janeway, Seven and the Doctor. I don't hate Voyager with a white hot passion like some others do; I just felt that a great concept with enormous storytelling potential was wasted.

Enterprise IMO is the second worst, but at least they tried to salvage the show with a fairly compelling third season and a fourth season that was actually building to the birth of the UFP and contained numerous references to TOS.

For me, I'd rank them like this (favourite to least-favourite):

1. DS9
2. TOS
3. TNG
4. ENT
5. VOY

 

[NIUPonyBoy]

I can see everyone's dislike for ENT, even though I liked it. And I know why I liked it.

I was a best a passive watcher. I would watch if I ever found it on the TV, but never searched it out to watch. When I did see it was a treat for me to see new ST on TV and it was very pretty stuff. I had nothing invested in the show as a fan, just enjoyed it for what it was. And I did like the NX.

The other shows I did seek out and was disappointed a lot with them and thusly just stopped watching.

 

[NIUPonyBoy]

I actually want to go back and watch it. But I only get TNG and TOS on cable here and am not going to be buying DVD seasons yet.

I've heard you can get it on Netflix...though I also hear their business practices are shit.

We get NetFlix already, every time I add something to the list it gets moved waaaaay to the back of the line by all the wife's chickflicks she keeps adding.

I do scan CL and the local resale shops for DVD seasons. I found all the seasons of VOY at one for $40. I ran across the street to hit the ATM as the shop didn't take CC's and when I returned it was gone. For it being the worst of the shows I still woulda been all over that like Worf on a fat chick.

 

[Admiral Shran]

Enterprise, without a doubt: inconsistent characters, dull plots, and extensive use of, as Brannon Braga puts it, continuity porn.

Braga appeared to think simply keeping the number of crewmen on Voyager consistent was continuity porn. The guy just didn't seem to think any type of continuity was worth it, what he didn't realise is that continuity is essential for us to believe in characters and believe in their plight.

Now you are obviously referring to Enterprise season 4 which I don't condier to have had too much continuity, it didn't stifle the creativity of the series at all. Enterprise was my first show and I still enjoyed season 4 immensely without getting all the nods to continuity.

You're being too generous to Braga. I honestly think his idea of a massive amount of continuity porn was to have the same actor play the same role week after week.

 

[TheKeeper]

ENT, by a mile. By the sixth broadcast episode, I started looking forward to the commercials for relief. Eventually I just didn't bother turning it on. It was just painful watching these people. Captain Space Douche. A first officer who came across as a masculine version of Michael Cera (apologies to Jolene, who's actually rather hot when she's not submerged in T'Poll-ery.) An annoying Doctor hosting an alien menagerie in Sickbay. I don't even remember who the others were. And the Xindi - five distinct races of humanoids, primates, reptiles, aquatics and insects developing the same level of intelligence and civilization? My WTF-ometer just melted.

VOY may have engaged in more than its share of dumbassery over its seven years, but at least it attained some examples of brilliance in between. It was strongest where other Treks seemed weakest - the two-part episodes.