Discussion in 'TV & Media' started by Kilana2, Nov 17, 2019.
Thursday is Dick night. I'm in.
In the recent crossover event (last Thursday night), which episode comes first, SVU or OC?
And what exactly the hell does "Trick-Rolled At The Moulin" mean?
"Trick roll" is a play on "Rickroll"; a search online tells me it has come to mean when a prostitute steals money from the john. The Moulin, of course, was the hotel where things went down.
SVU comes first. Leads right into OC. The way they differentiated it when it aired was the after-the-title-guest-star-credits played at the beginning and then the show went into the OC title credits.
"Turning tricks" is a very old term for prostitution. "Getting rolled" is a very old term for being taken by a scam.
They literally had the hook to go from SVU to OC solved in the first ten seconds of OC.
I will never understand why they added Demore Barnes and Jamie Gray Hyder to SVU this year. I love their characters and their acting, but they are literally bit players. Kelli Giddish appears every third or fourth episode and Ice-T is there as Olivia's confidant for a scene or two an episode. They are paying more actors to sit on the sidelines while they write stories for Saint Olivia Benson.
It's kind of a pattern with the show; Richard Belzer was sidelined and had one or two scenes an episode for like seven years before he finally got sick of it and fucked off to go smoke weed and drink wine in France (nice life if you can get it).
Well, turns out I was right about one thing:
Angela Wheatley - Richard's ex - has been playing Elliot this whole time
but did NOT expect this:
not only was Angela NOT, apparently, acting on Wheatley's orders in so doing, but...turns out Angela herself was the one who gave the order to have Kathy killed
Side note (and this is not really a spoiler): That thing with Sgt. Bell's nephew...does that actually have anything to do with the plot in general? The kid gets stomped coming out of a guitar store, but I'm not seeing any connection to anyone or anything else.
the cops who did the stomping were not, in fact, cops, but were the same goons who've been carrying out all those hits for Wheatley?
My theory is that Angela wants vengeance against Wheatley because of the loss of her son, so because she's insane--naturally--she made the call to order the hit on Kathy so as to weaponize Stabler and turn him into her tool and / or gun.
This was incredibly blatantly suggested by the fact that Wheatley fell right into line behind the supposed SWAT cops who ran into and shot up the office building (or whatever it was, where they were making the fake Purple Magic), and no one said a word. One thing Law & Order has never done particularly well in the, what, 30-plus years of its history, is subtlety.
You really cracked the case there, chief.
Well, yeah, it's obvious that the "cops" who took out the rival dealers were on Wheatley's payroll (as you said, he follows them in), I just didn't make the connection until much later that the ones from the guitar store scene could have had anything to do with this - guess they were there to harass Bell's family and get her away from the case.
Something something psychological warfare? I don't know, I'm not expecting much in terms of a real payoff with that. Wheatley's already written as far too much of a superman when it comes to his intelligence and planning; with only three more episodes to go they're going to have to pull a real rabbit out of their asses to get out of the "Wheatley's playing chess while the NYPD is playing checkers" setup they've done.
Yep. But thankfully, she hasn't been nearly as annoying as she's been before. Heck, it was nice to see the return of the 1.0 characterizations. It showed that she was anything but a saint, that she's a flawed human being.
This latest episode of OC was the best thing L&O has done in decades. It definitely beats the hell out of the last 15 years of SVU.
Yea, it was very good. SVU wasn't bad either.
But I can see why the ratings aren't as good anymore. Chris coming back helped to move the ratings up. But they can't afford to take it for granted. It has gotten too serious for its own good and St. Olivia hasn't helped things either.
That being said, at least she hasn't been nearly as annoying as she used to be.
Ratings just aren't good anywhere on network TV. The only thing this old that still holds it's viewership is NCIS and I think that's only because some TVs are stuck on NCIS. SVU and OC were really high in the 18-49 demo this year.
My wife and I haven't invested in any new shows on network TV in the past couple years because everything we tried and liked was cancelled after one season. It's a dying medium in the age where you can get shot with bigger budgets, better stories & pretty much any genre you could want that is free of restrictions imposed on the network shows. Nothing stays on long enough to get attached to.
SVU is in the same situation as Grey's. Mariska is just like Ellen Pompeo. What can she possibly do after SVU that isn't going to be compared to Benson in some way. SVU will be around as long as she wants to do it, no matter how bad the storytelling may get.
Hargitay is in a situation like Pompeo where jobs depend on her. She quits, the show is over. Although they could revive the mothership and just move all their behind-the-scenes employees over there.
The set is even what was on L&O the last couple of seasons.
Exactly, but do you really feel like you've connected with any of the other characters enough to care (perhaps outside of Ice-T)?
I like Carisi and hope that they use him on For The Defense if SVU ever gets canned. He's gone from the naive Sonny to tough prosecutor Dominic seamlessly.
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