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Last Doctor Who Story you listened to?

I listened to 'Spare Parts' which is the origin story of the Cybermen. I say origin story but it starts towards the end of what has been a long destructive road for Mondas. By the time the Doctor arrives the planet is frozen with a tiny population getting more and more cybernetic implants. In many ways the worst has already happened. Apparently this was pitched as a TV story for the 5th Doctor but the producers weren't interested in doing Genesis of the Cybermen....
 
Just finished a 3-day listen to Zagreus, one part per day. It was reasonably entertaining, though weirdly constructed, with the returning actors mostly not playing their usual characters. Though at least the three previous Doctors eventually got to be themselves, after a fashion. It also kind of anticipated "The Doctor's Wife" in turning the TARDIS into an embodied, verbal character, though in an entirely different way.

This story takes the usual "Rassilon was a more villainous figure than Time Lord history paints" conceit and takes it to a hell of an extreme, making him a genocidal bigot as bad as the Daleks, only more effective. The claim that he'd used time travel to make all alien intelligences evolve into humanoids (or Gallifreyanoids) instead of more exotic forms is kind of a clever handwave for all the humanoid aliens, but it made it sound as if he did it with every species, which doesn't explain how so many nonhumanoid aliens still exist. It also elevates his evil to a preposterously extreme level. I'm also not crazy about the way it attributes virtually every notable invention in Time Lord history to Rassilon. I mean, he stole credit for time travel from Omega, so shouldn't it logically follow that everything else he took credit for was probably stolen too? But this presented his "Foundry" as the sole and exclusive source of every Gallifreyan device and weapon we've ever heard of.

I was confused by Leela's part in this. Louise Jameson sounds decades older than she did, so I was trying to visualize her at that age, but it eventually became evident that Leela was being written as if she were still the same age, still a "savage" rather than someone who'd been living on Gallifrey for most of her life. It was easier with the other actors, whose voices haven't changed quite that much.

I'm not crazy about this whole huge story ending on a cliffhanger, since it's one I won't get to hear resolved. Since this is the last Main Range audio I can borrow from the library, I was hoping for something with more closure.


So... now I have to decide where to go next, out of the available audio series on Hoopla. I'm thinking maybe the Lost Stories first.
 
Listened to Time War volume 4 with the 8th Doctor. This is probably my favorite of the series. Loved seeing Davros finally show up.
I had expected this to be the last volume as they hadn't announced any more time war releases after this but it doesn't seem like it will be based on the ending.
 
They have 8th Doctor Time War stories? I didn't think the Doctor was involved in the Time War until he was the War Doctor?
 
They have 8th Doctor Time War stories? I didn't think the Doctor was involved in the Time War until he was the War Doctor?

As he said in "The Night of the Doctor," "I help where I can. I will not fight." So he was indirectly involved in a humanitarian capacity, rather than being an active combatant.
 
They have 8th Doctor Time War stories? I didn't think the Doctor was involved in the Time War until he was the War Doctor?

that was when things got really really bad.
In the Time War series he's more pressganged/unwilling agent rather than what he did in the later stages of the war
 
Originally Big Finish were only going to do the one four-story set of Eighth Doctor Time War stories, but somewhere along the line that got expanded to four, and now probably beyond. I imagine John Hurt’s death and the resulting impossibility of further War Doctor audios was a big factor. The Eighth Doctor is involved in the war in the audios in a way that pretty clearly extends beyond what “The Night of the Doctor” implied, but that was probably always going to happen once Big Finish got access to new series elements.
 
Indeed. I feel a Time War 5 is inevitable, although I hope they won't extend beyond that. I get BF want to milk everything for their worth, but beyond him being involved in the Time War's first year, more than that would be pushing it.

...not that I don't like it. I'd much prefer if the Eighth was always the one who fought in the war, anyway.
 
After running out of Main Range audios to borrow, I decided to move to The Lost Stories, starting at the beginning with the Sixth Doctor "lost season" and The Nightmare Fair. I still have the novelization of this one, so I was curious to hear it. And after listening to the first episode, I realized I should've reread the novel first, so I'd be less confused about the settings and events. Since this was not conceived for audio, I don't think it conveyed the visual aspects all that well, even with the revisions they made.

So anyway, I stopped after the first episode and read the whole book, and then I followed along in the book as I listened to the second half. It was interesting to compare them, the way the audio put in dialogue to illustrate actions the novel narrated, and the way it left out some elements that were mostly visual, like the third alien prisoner. I still think it would've been much harder to follow without the novel descriptions to remind me what was going on, though.

As for the story, I remember liking it back in the day -- at least, it's the only one of the three novels from the "missing season" that I found worth keeping. But on revisiting it, I find it rather unfocused and lacking coherence. The thread about Kevin's abducted brother and why he was abducted is barely addressed in the novel, and though the audio clears it up slightly, it's still slapdash. There were a couple of throwaway references to some sort of spacetime vortex connected to the Toymaker, but they were referenced in passing and then forgotten and never connected to anything. The alien prisoners are weird additions, and there's that whole shaggy-dog digression about the cyborg soldier's endless war and how it poses a threat to Earth and then it's just forgotten altogether, and the cyborg doesn't serve any real purpose beyond providing parts for the Mechanic alien. (In the audio, Colin Baker mispronounces the Mechanic's species name, Ventusan, as "Venusian," or else the scripter misread it.) It was all just a bunch of pieces carelessly tossed together. It feels like a rough draft that would've been polished before being filmed, but for some reason Williams didn't bother to polish it when he novelized it, and the audio is way too faithful to its flaws.

As for the Celestial Toymaker's Great Work being just a killer video game... well, maybe that came off as cutting-edge back in the early '80s, but it seems a hell of an anticlimax today. And it's an even duller climax in audio, where we can't even see the game being played, just hear the bleeps.
 
You should see if the Companion Chronicles, Solitaire, is available. Its basically an Eighth Doctor episode with just Charley and the Toymaker, and he's glorious there.

Beyond that, I've never experienced The Celestial Toymaker in any way, but I do love me some Gough. Yet I do think Bailey makes the part his own, in both stories he portrays him.
 
Well, I'm halfway through Mission to Magnus and not sure if I'm enough of a completist to bother finishing it. The story is as terrible as I remember -- more so, in fact, since I thought that this one was not quite as bad as The Ultimate Evil (though it could've been the other way around). It's stupid and sexist, the Time Lord bully Ansor is a ridiculous character, and the title planet is absurdly small, with the characters able to walk from warm temperate climes to the Arctic regions in a matter of minutes. But the adaptation is bad too. It's full of incredibly clumsy "radio writing" where the characters tell each other what they see happening in front of them. There are parts where it's pretty obvious that Peri's lines are basically just the scene descriptions from the script (or novelization) being read out loud. And the main child actor is just terrible, giving a one-note, stilted performance throughout. Ugh. I hoped at least these adaptations would try to correct the weaknesses of the originals, to bring them up to a more modern standard of writing, but this one is just adding more weaknesses.
 
The main selling point of these adaptations was that they would be faithful recreations of what was almost made back in the day. Purists were still miffed, however, that Colin Baker didn't play his Doctor acerbically enough, and was closer to his own prefered way of playing the Sixth, as a kinder, warmer kind of dude.

Beyond that, I would say that the most "modern" Lost Stories are, ironically, the Fourth's, since John Dorney basically finished Banks' abandoned The Foe from the Future and Hinchcliffe's The Valley of Death was rewritten to feature Leela instead of Romana in it. The McCoy Lost Stories also were changed from original conception, but that's almost natural given that there never were scripts written for them in the first place, just random ideas germinated over a period of time.

And count your blessings, because they did adapt The Ultimate Evil, and its as bad as you think it is. Don't really remember the rest of the Lost Stories with Six, other than The First Sontarans, which is my favorite of those, obviously, and The Hollows of Time, which was insufferable before I found out the villain was originally supposed to be the Master all along.
 
The main selling point of these adaptations was that they would be faithful recreations of what was almost made back in the day.

Granted, but there are ways to be faithful to the essence of the text while improving on the execution. This adaptation didn't find any of those ways. Having Peri awkwardly describe a place to the person standing next to her in that same place, in narration-style dialogue that no human being would ever actually say out loud to another person, is hardly faithful to how it would've been done on TV. Having a straight-up narrator to describe the visuals would've been more authentic (like they did with things like the Genesis of the Daleks LP or the releases of missing-episode audio tracks).

Besides, being faithful to an abandoned script isn't necessarily an accurate recreation of what would've been done back in the day, because scripts are rewritten and refined all the time. Granted, the Colin Baker era was not exactly a high point where writing is concerned, but the scripts might have been polished more before recording, or adjusted by their directors to bring out some potential that was lacking in the script or to gloss over the script's problems. And one hopes they would've been able to find a more competent child actor.
 
I think at a certain point, they must've felt that any change they made was gonna be met with criticism from the fandom who would most invest in these anyway, so they didn't go ahead and change them substantially. As mentioned, the most substantial change was the Master not being revealed to be the villain at the end of The Hollows of Time, though it is heavily infered to be him both in the story and the next. And YET, super mega death fan Ian Levine complained that they left out the Master, and how dare they.

(they left him out, of course, because they couldn't use him at the time, because he was being used in the show proper and BF couldn't also use him any story)
 
Well, I listened to the second half of Mission to Magnus just to give myself something to halfway listen to while making and eating dinner, and it was even worse than the first half. The premise was ridiculous -- you can knock a planet out of orbit by setting off a few nukes, somehow without killing everyone instantly, and then you can knock it right back into the original orbit at an arbitrary later time by setting off more nukes, which somehow nobody on the planet even notices until the Doctor tells them he did it.

And since when did Ice Warriors grow sluggish and die in room-temperature conditions like Mr. Freeze? They're only called that because the first ones were found in the ice. They aren't actually dependent on ice-cold temperatures. They functioned quite well in normal temperatures in every one of their previous appearances, only one of which actually entailed icy conditions. Yes, they're vulnerable to excessive heat, but not room temperature. Not to mention that there's not a trace of their "honorable warrior" characterization seen elsewhere; they're pure one-note baddies.

The worst part, though, was the hideous sexism of the ending. The men from the twin planet tell the surviving women of Magnus that they'll have to learn to live together and accept becoming the men's wives, and they talk as if it's a given and the women have no choice in the matter. And when the women recoil in horror at the prospect, the guy just laughs off their resistance as "the way of women" and takes it for granted that they'll give in eventually. It was incredibly rapey, and it was treated as a joke.

The one tolerable thing was the inclusion of Sil; I'm lukewarm on the character, but I've always somewhat liked Nabil Shaban's performance, so I didn't mind having him back. But Sil proved peripheral to the story, and it seemed he was basically just there because Philip Martin wanted to reuse his pet villain character.

EDIT: Oh, and one more thing that doesn't make sense: Anzor's TARDIS remains in the form of an oak tree in every setting, even outer space and an underground cavern, rather than changing to fit its surroundings as a TARDIS is supposed to do. Since it's described as a more advanced TARDIS than the Doctor's, why doesn't its chameleon circuit work?
 
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Dan Freeman's The Minister of Chance audio drama of several years ago (starring Paul McGann and Sylvester McCoy in non-Doctor roles) returned this week as a remastered, reedited podcast. I liked it well enough when I listened to it originally, and Julian Wadham as a regeneration/successor to Stephen Fry (who originated the Minister in Doctor Who: Death Comes to Time) works.
 
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