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L5 pilot, hard science fiction miniseries...sounds cool

Awesome!!!! Hard SF on TV at last!! Okay, Virtuality made a decent go of it, but this looks even better from a hard-SF standpoint. Like Rendezvous with Rama meets The High Frontier.
 
^^^

It's not on TV, though.


L5 is a hard science fiction dramatic miniseries for online distribution. The first episode of the miniseries will be 10 minutes, and will depict the late homecoming of the astronauts and the first steps towards exploring the interior of L5.

The pilot episode of L5 wil be distributed through Vimeo and Youtube in high definition, as well as quicktime format on our website, and will be promoted as viral content on web forums, news fed sites, emails, as well as a production blog that will have production information and artwork, and most excitingly, the step by step construction process of the replica spacesuits.

Distribution and production of further episodes will be determined by the response to the pilot. Possible distribution methods include branded content or partnering with a torrent site.
 
^What? Oh, crap. Dang kids today and their goldurn online media and short-attention-span "episodes"... get off my lawn!
 
Wow, I think that's the least amazing news at that first link!

I love the idea of these things like L5 but these amateur deals have yet to really pay off. I've seen people pull off some incredible things if they last like 5 minutes but they seem to fall apart when doing anything more. Doesn't sound exceptionally "hard" to me but I've come to the conclusion that isn't really a big deal for me, it does sound interesting, more sci-fi is great no matter what.
 
I was hoping to see some genuine, intelligent hard SF in the mass media for once instead of relegated to a niche project online. Hopefully this will follow a path like Sanctuary did and end up on the air eventually.
 
Online series haven't blown my socks off yet, but I keep checking things and waiting to find one that does. Who knows, maybe this will be the one.
 
I got my hopes up only to have them dashed when I read this is essentially an online vanity project funded by donations. It's not something that I'm willing to contribute money towards without seeing what the likely quality of the production will be. Surely, it can't be worse than Defying Gravity, which followed the traditional route to air.
 
This sounds like a great concept. Like Christopher said, this is how Sanctuary started. It's also fairly easy to publish on DVD these days, so they have hopes of making a profit, especially if they can get some kind of TV distribution. I'd really like to see this type of production take off so we can start getting something better than the standard studio pablum.
 
This sounds like a great concept. Like Christopher said, this is how Sanctuary started.

While that's true, it obviously benefited from the professional filmmakers and actors involved, who made the web series as a side project during the production of Stargate.

But I'd certainly like to see this new web series succeed, and get on television. Fingers crossed.
 
Too bad it won't be on TV :(

Stuff like this NEEDS to be on TV, we need good shows like that
 
^^^

It's not on TV, though.


L5 is a hard science fiction dramatic miniseries for online distribution. The first episode of the miniseries will be 10 minutes, and will depict the late homecoming of the astronauts and the first steps towards exploring the interior of L5.

The pilot episode of L5 wil be distributed through Vimeo and Youtube in high definition, as well as quicktime format on our website, and will be promoted as viral content on web forums, news fed sites, emails, as well as a production blog that will have production information and artwork, and most excitingly, the step by step construction process of the replica spacesuits.

Distribution and production of further episodes will be determined by the response to the pilot. Possible distribution methods include branded content or partnering with a torrent site.

Yes but if popular, the "distribution and production" could make it to tv...or at least let's cross our fingers.
 
^What? Oh, crap. Dang kids today and their goldurn online media and short-attention-span "episodes"... get off my lawn!


Well stream it through your bluray player to the tv lol

Awesome!!!! Hard SF on TV at last!! Okay, Virtuality made a decent go of it, but this looks even better from a hard-SF standpoint. Like Rendezvous with Rama meets The High Frontier.

I think Defying Gravity made a respectable stab at it too.
 
Okay, I'm intrigued. I don't like the word "hypersleep." Cryonics is a real science too, and a lot easier to check up on and care about than if they got time dilation numbers exactly right on some monitor in the bloody background. And the number one thing about cryonics is that it is, at best, reversible death. I'm seriously a lot more interested in how they propose to solve the freezing and warming problems than I am in exact figures about their relativistic mass. (Although on that count, I'd like to know what their propulsion is, or if it's just some torchship--sort of defeats the purpose of using really-real relativistic equations, if they're going to latch them onto a story about a black-boxed super-rocket. But I judge too quickly.)

Also, looked like the mains were two white males. Goody.

I've gotta say I'm also intrigued by the funding method. But...

Great Mambo Chicken said:
I got my hopes up only to have them dashed when I read this is essentially an online vanity project funded by donations. It's not something that I'm willing to contribute money towards without seeing what the likely quality of the production will be.

Word. I almost want to be indignant--if you want my money, I want to see the shooting script first. And yet, it's an interesting model, and possibly a very powerful one, with so much potential for niche entertainment that I would like to see it succeed. So I've wound up ambivalent.
 
Awesome!!!! Hard SF on TV at last!! Okay, Virtuality made a decent go of it, but this looks even better from a hard-SF standpoint. Like Rendezvous with Rama meets The High Frontier.
^ For some reason, my first thought was Virtuality as well.

I'd love to see a hard SF premise like that make the transition to DVD and even TV.
 
Awesome!!!! Hard SF on TV at last!! Okay, Virtuality made a decent go of it, but this looks even better from a hard-SF standpoint. Like Rendezvous with Rama meets The High Frontier.

I think Defying Gravity made a respectable stab at it too.

You're kidding. That show's science was abysmal, at least compared to the docudrama it was loosely based on. The whole "magnetic nanoparticle gravity" was stupid and impractical as hell, and the stuff about the magical alien force rewriting DNA to have magical effects on people was every bit as biologically ludicrous as anything Star Trek ever did. (Seriously, rewritten DNA reversing a vasectomy? That's like believing you can repair a damaged building by redrawing its blueprints.) Then there was the total lack of any kind of technological futurism, people still using 2009 computers and fashions 50 years in the future. That was just lazy.


Okay, I'm intrigued. I don't like the word "hypersleep." Cryonics is a real science too, and a lot easier to check up on and care about than if they got time dilation numbers exactly right on some monitor in the bloody background. And the number one thing about cryonics is that it is, at best, reversible death.

I'm not convinced of the "reversible" part. We don't actually know whether it's feasible to shut a sentient brain down completely for years and then start it up again and have it just resume working normally. In my own writing, I'm more comfortable going with a form of hibernation that only radically slows life processes, allowing brain activity to continue at a low level, than with full-on corpsicles. And "hypersleep" is a valid, if slightly corny, term for such a thing -- it basically means "beyond sleep." (Well, more literally it would mean "above sleep," which suggests, well, being awake; maybe "hyposleep," something further "below" a sleep state, i.e. more deeply "under," would be more strictly appropriate. Although since the Greek word for sleep is hypnos, it would be "hypohypnosis.")

(Although on that count, I'd like to know what their propulsion is, or if it's just some torchship--sort of defeats the purpose of using really-real relativistic equations, if they're going to latch them onto a story about a black-boxed super-rocket. But I judge too quickly.)

There's an image in the link that has a diagram of the ship with callouts:

http://img.trekmovie.com/images/sfs/l5concept-2-large-sftv135.jpg

THE ARGO is propelled by an experimental propulsion system that generates an artificial black hole, and uses it to generate hawking [sic] radiation, which it then reflects with a large parabolic dish.

This is a real concept that I've read about, and not unlike the drive Arthur C. Clarke used in Imperial Earth (though he wrote that shortly before Hawking did his work on black hole evaporation, so the radiation concept wasn't part of it). While the means of creating the BH is probably "black box" science, the rest of it is credible. Although I'm not convinced that a Hawking radiation drive could produce the kind of thrust needed to reach relativistic speeds. Also I don't see the kind of shielding that a relativistic ship would need to protect against the blueshifted radiation and high-speed interstellar particles they'd contend with. That was a major flaw in Virtuality's ship design as well. The only radiation shield this has is between the crew and the engine.



^ For some reason, my first thought was Virtuality as well.

Well, it's not like there are many options to choose from. That's just about the only genuinely hard-SF space project to come to US television since, well, as far back as I can recall. (Although it had its flaws too, like the lack of shielding and that ridiculous scene where a tiny airlock somehow had an endless supply of air to go rushing out into vacuum for over a minute while the captain struggled against it.)
 
Unfortunately, Virtuality was too painful to bear with its adolescent characters and forced conflicts. And the reality television gimmick. The basic concept of the ship and the mission was great, though; I'd love to see a serious treatment of that idea.

And "hypersleep" is a valid, if slightly corny, term for such a thing -- it basically means "beyond sleep." (Well, more literally it would mean "above sleep," which suggests, well, being awake; maybe "hyposleep," something further "below" a sleep state, i.e. more deeply "under," would be more strictly appropriate. Although since the Greek word for sleep is hypnos, it would be "hypohypnosis.")
"Meganapping?" :D
 
I'm not convinced of the "reversible" part. We don't actually know whether it's feasible to shut a sentient brain down completely for years and then start it up again and have it just resume working normally. In my own writing, I'm more comfortable going with a form of hibernation that only radically slows life processes, allowing brain activity to continue at a low level, than with full-on corpsicles.

Hence "at best." At present, it's irreversible death, but megakelvin/sec cooling is possible, vitrification agents have been identified, and the remaining major problems appear to be chemical and radioactive damage. (One is quasi-soluble, the other I admit requires either Drexlerian magic or a non-human subject.)

But I dunno if human hibernation has any proof of concept at all, though... and it's possibly less interesting, I think, because it's less complicated and sciencey. :p

And "hypersleep" is a valid, if slightly corny, term for such a thing -- it basically means "beyond sleep." (Well, more literally it would mean "above sleep," which suggests, well, being awake; maybe "hyposleep," something further "below" a sleep state, i.e. more deeply "under," would be more strictly appropriate. Although since the Greek word for sleep is hypnos, it would be "hypohypnosis.")
:D



There's an image in the link that has a diagram of the ship with callouts:

http://img.trekmovie.com/images/sfs/l5concept-2-large-sftv135.jpg

THE ARGO is propelled by an experimental propulsion system that generates an artificial black hole, and uses it to generate hawking [sic] radiation, which it then reflects with a large parabolic dish.
This is a real concept that I've read about, and not unlike the drive Arthur C. Clarke used in Imperial Earth (though he wrote that shortly before Hawking did his work on black hole evaporation, so the radiation concept wasn't part of it). While the means of creating the BH is probably "black box" science, the rest of it is credible.
That's cool, albeit kinda hard to read.

The asymptotic drive was the one part of Imperial Earth I didn't care for much, although it was probably hard for Clarke to come up with something even better than the fusion torchships they already had and on which the Titan economy was based. (Funny you mention IE, I just reread it. I love that book.) Getting a black hole is hard too, but I've read some stuff indicating that there are some theoretical ways of making an artificial black hole, if you have enough available power and the proper laser setup.

On the other hand, an evaporation drive has some issues--namely, you can't turn it off. Maybe I'm wrong, but it strikes me as very similar to a fission fragment rocket... but one which is always fissioning (although for this Argo, they've decided to use a propellant separate from the fuel). Also one which is not intensely bright would also be immensely massive. And it will only get brighter every year; the last few years are ridiculously energetic.

Although I'm not convinced that a Hawking radiation drive could produce the kind of thrust needed to reach relativistic speeds.
Everything's a relativistic speed. Maybe they just mean a long-term journey at .2c. Sure, that's 10.2 seconds on Earth for every 10 in space, but that adds up. It's not going to really screw with any perceptions, but it's something you'd have to account for, for astrogation, etc.

Actually, that raises another question: who would send a crewed expedition to Barnard's Star at sublight velocities at the expense of several multiples of present global GDP, without an intention of setting up a colony there? I've always thought a one-way trip makes a lot more sense in these cases. Not only because of the expense, but the human problem. To paraphrase Douglas Adams, anyone who wanted the job is a lot less likely to be qualified for it.
 
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