Koran burning
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he's a fucking jackass and i hope someone - preferably another white christian - shoots him.
why? well, duh. freedom of speech doesn't allow you to incite religious hatred and terrorism against your own nation by burning someone else's holy book.
i bet Washington and his buds would all agree that wasn't the kinda thing they had in mind when they put that in.
why? well, duh. freedom of speech doesn't allow you to incite religious hatred and terrorism against your own nation by burning someone else's holy book.
i bet Washington and his buds would all agree that wasn't the kinda thing they had in mind when they put that in.
well, that maybe the case in your country but in my country we actually try to get along without having extremist fringe twats spouting off their bile and stirring up more trouble.
and without a constitutional freedom of speech too!
and without a constitutional freedom of speech too!
Freedom of Speech is a basic American value, but so is Freedom of Religion.
I don't see why you have to condemn someone else's religion in order to promote your own, nor do I want our entire nation portrayed as a bunch of back-woods, book-burning yokels.
The guy doing this is a just a hateful, publicity-seeking asshat, giving the extremist asshats in Islam another excuse to hate us.
Anyone who thinks burning books, holy or otherwise, is a good idea, needs to bitch slapped and sent packing.
I don't see why you have to condemn someone else's religion in order to promote your own, nor do I want our entire nation portrayed as a bunch of back-woods, book-burning yokels.
The guy doing this is a just a hateful, publicity-seeking asshat, giving the extremist asshats in Islam another excuse to hate us.
Anyone who thinks burning books, holy or otherwise, is a good idea, needs to bitch slapped and sent packing.
But if the extremist fringe twat wanting to stir up trouble is an Al Qaeda defender wanting to build a victory mosque at Ground Zero, we claim it's a right under free speech, religious freedom, etc, and denounce opposition to the incitement as bigotry.
In the Koran burning case, we have a group exercising their religious freedom by denouncing something they view as false or satanic, which can also be taken as a duty under their religion. Muslims likewise view it as their duty to oppose what they view as false teachings and false religions, to the extent that they are commanded to convert or murder polytheists.
Although Muslims sometimes burn the Bible, imams often speak against such acts as they are commanded to respect all of God's holy books, including the Torah.
In the Koran burning case, we have a group exercising their religious freedom by denouncing something they view as false or satanic, which can also be taken as a duty under their religion. Muslims likewise view it as their duty to oppose what they view as false teachings and false religions, to the extent that they are commanded to convert or murder polytheists.
Although Muslims sometimes burn the Bible, imams often speak against such acts as they are commanded to respect all of God's holy books, including the Torah.
I never have found it a good idea to combat douche-baggery by becoming one.
You said what I was thinking, so I'll just quote for truth.
Since you beleive this asshatery, there's really no need to go on.
Q: What is the difference between burning a Koran, burning a Bible, and Baptists burning yet more Led Zeppelin albums?
A: People can actually recite the words from a Led Zeppelin album.
One of the points I'd like to make is that even if this church didn't burn any Korans, the press would trivially report he did just to stir up hatred and terrorism, just as they reported that guards at Gitmo were flushing Korans down toilets, which was wildly false.
It's not the Koran burning that will cause the outrage, it's the press coverage about it. For example, several years ago many of my friends posted pictures of themselves using a vast array of semi-automatic firepower to blow Korans to smithereens. It caused not a ripple, probably because the press didn't plaster it all over the front pages.
A: People can actually recite the words from a Led Zeppelin album.
One of the points I'd like to make is that even if this church didn't burn any Korans, the press would trivially report he did just to stir up hatred and terrorism, just as they reported that guards at Gitmo were flushing Korans down toilets, which was wildly false.
It's not the Koran burning that will cause the outrage, it's the press coverage about it. For example, several years ago many of my friends posted pictures of themselves using a vast array of semi-automatic firepower to blow Korans to smithereens. It caused not a ripple, probably because the press didn't plaster it all over the front pages.
Even Imam Rauf is now saying that the mosque is stirring up trouble. Of course his version is that if he doesn't build it now that some have opposed it, the Muslims will get outraged and kill us.
By that same logic, if the wacko church doesn't burn the Korans, then the Christian street will get all outraged and kill Muslims.
What the shuddering fuck? No. The press would not report that if it did not happen as they would quickly get called out by someone else. That vast left-wing "lamestream media" doesn't exist. If it did you wouldn't hear anything bad about Obama. Since you do, case closed.
And the press reported on the stuff at Guantanamo because their sources reported it. When it was proven otherwise, the press corrected itself.
Of course, the military itself found that the Qur'an was being mishandled. So, there's that.
The trouble is the reaction to the building the mosque, and that's because of people like you thinking it's a victory monument. And let me tell you, everyone was totally shocked that you and your ilk are e-pissed because of something you don't understand is happening. Keep watching Fox News!
I think it's their right, but it is one off the most hateful and regretful decisions I can see someone partaking in.
The bottom line - these people are scum.
The bottom line - these people are scum.
And their source was.... Islamic terrorists.
Nope. One Koran was kicked, one was stepped on, and some accidentally got wet during a water balloon fight. The press claimed guards were flushing them down toilets. The Islamic world was outraged and terrorists increased their recruiting - over a story the press ran that was false. Obviously they didn't even feel the need to verify the story.
Most Americans are opposed to the mosque. Most New Yorkers are opposed to the mosque (Only 22% support it).
Maybe they should quit reading The New York Times or something.
Americans are tolerant, but they're not fools. They know that a proposal in 1954 to build Shinto shrine next to the USS Arizona would not be an act of religious outreach, just as they know that a proposal to build a giant mosque on a site that was damaged by the flying landing gear from a hijacked airliner on 9/11 is not an act of religious outreach, especially when the project is being run by an Al Qaeda apologist who continues to threaten us with violence (via indirect "others") if we don't do what he says.
I despise to my very core what this so-called pastor is doing and I also despise the attention his little bitty church of 30-50 members has gotten. I also uphold his right to do what he wants with however many Qurans he legally obtains while I hope whoever sold them to him marked them up substantially.
However, I'm in full agreement with the law enforcement folks' plans to bill him for all of the expenses that will be incurred by his stunt and I hope it bankrupts him. Arresting him for doing the burning after his having been denied a burn permit is also a good idea.
Actions have consequences.
Jan
However, I'm in full agreement with the law enforcement folks' plans to bill him for all of the expenses that will be incurred by his stunt and I hope it bankrupts him. Arresting him for doing the burning after his having been denied a burn permit is also a good idea.
Actions have consequences.
Jan
There are no extremists or Al Queada defenders trying to build any Mosque at ground zero.
And they have the right to do so. Just like we have the right to call them bigots and idiots for doing so.
The Bible says if somebody is preaching of foreign gods in the next town, believers are supposed to kill everybody and their animals in that town and to also burn all the loot.
Which should tell you something.
This is a complete distortion of the situation. It is not a giant mosque for starters. On top of that, there are Jewish and Christian religious centers right there as well. Lastly, THEY OWN THE PROPERTY. Both American beliefs in regards to property rights AND FREEDOM OF RELIGION demand that they be allowed to build there. There is not a single logical reason not to. It's not even that close to Ground Zero. If were going with the debris defense, ash from the building covered the entire city. I was breathing that shit in all the way in Brooklyn. Does that mean all of NYC is now off limits?
EDIT: breaking news, the burning has been canceled. Its on CNN now. The Imam has agreed to move the Islamic center in return.
But if displays of intolerance and hatred are to be frowned upon, how come nobody seems to tell the Muslim world (or American anti-war protesters) that burning an American flag is an act of hatred and intolerance, and that many Americans are horribly offended by it? Heck, making American flags just to burn at protests is a cottage industry over there, just like printing Korans just to burn them could, in an alternate universe, be a cottage industry over here.
How come only the West is tasked with self-examination? Why are only we asked to show tolerance and why is anyone denounced who even suggests that certain Muslim groups stop acting like three-year olds throwing a tantrum?
The number of Muslims afraid of horribly offending Western Christians must be close to zero. The number of Christians afraid of even slightly offending Muslims must be nearly all of them, minus the thirty to fifty at the wacko church in Florida.
But back to the point. Everyone is outraged at the actions of the Florida Church, with even General Petraeus warning that such actions might embolden terrorists attacking our troops. Where were these prudent warnings when people who aren't fundamentalist wackos chanted "America is Satan!" and "Bush=Hitler!", showing fake videos of Americans raping Muslim women and such (without bothering to find out if the story was fake) or running fake stories on American atrocities?
Nobody seemed to have a problem with outraging Muslim sensibilities back then. In fact, it seemed to be a goal. But now that a redneck is doing it, it's suddenly wrong, counterproductive, and even dangerous to our soldiers.
How come only the West is tasked with self-examination? Why are only we asked to show tolerance and why is anyone denounced who even suggests that certain Muslim groups stop acting like three-year olds throwing a tantrum?
The number of Muslims afraid of horribly offending Western Christians must be close to zero. The number of Christians afraid of even slightly offending Muslims must be nearly all of them, minus the thirty to fifty at the wacko church in Florida.
But back to the point. Everyone is outraged at the actions of the Florida Church, with even General Petraeus warning that such actions might embolden terrorists attacking our troops. Where were these prudent warnings when people who aren't fundamentalist wackos chanted "America is Satan!" and "Bush=Hitler!", showing fake videos of Americans raping Muslim women and such (without bothering to find out if the story was fake) or running fake stories on American atrocities?
Nobody seemed to have a problem with outraging Muslim sensibilities back then. In fact, it seemed to be a goal. But now that a redneck is doing it, it's suddenly wrong, counterproductive, and even dangerous to our soldiers.
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