Kor made an excellent point about STIV

[T'Girl]

If the Bird of Prey possesses a "temporal signature" (and no change was made) this could guide the BOP through the infinite timelines to it's own departure timeline. However, if the BOP crew made changes that resulted in the creation of a new timeline then the BOP would proceed "up" that timeline.

People who are from multiple timelines traveling in the BOP? They might just be along for the ride.

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[trynda1701]

Ah, Temporal Mechanics! I feel a headache coming on!

 

[Phoenix219]

Well, in some scifi, there is a distinct difference between an alternate universe, and a diverging timeline, and in some cases, the new timeline completely *rewrites* the old one, no fork or alternate in play anywhere. If someone from the new verse messed with that spot in history, maybe in an attempt to save their own batch of whales, or whatever the case may be... with changes, causing a new "rewrite" to happen, but the leftover time fragments still in play, because they physically exist at that spot in history... can anyone else at least for fun, imagine a very confused BoP + crew emerging in the JJ verse as a result.

 

[Commander Richard]

Was it ever established that Kirk Prime was born in Iowa? He said he was from Iowa but maybe he was born on the Kelvin just like nuKirk and simply spent his life in Iowa.

 

[T'Girl]

My impression is that "from Iowa" meant born and raised. But I can't remember it ever being spelled out that Kirk was born there.

Of course nothing says that the prime universe ever had a starship named Kelvin.

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[drt]

Was it ever established that Kirk Prime was born in Iowa? He said he was from Iowa but maybe he was born on the Kelvin just like nuKirk and simply spent his life in Iowa.

Yep, I've known a couple of people who were born in a different state, moved when very young, but say they're "from" the state where they were largely raised.

 

[Timo]

Of course nothing says that the prime universe ever had a starship named Kelvin.

...Like Jim Kirk, she was unexpectedly born as the result of Nero's emergence?

Yep, I've known a couple of people who were born in a different state, moved when very young, but say they're "from" the state where they were largely raised.

For all we know, Kirks had Iowan family roots sixteen generations deep, even though the wanderlust in their blood meant half of them were in fact born aboard various wagons, cars, ships, aircraft, flitters and spacecraft. (Oh, and auntie Milly in a transporter beam. You can tell.)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Phoenix219]

My impression is that "from Iowa" meant born and raised. But I can't remember it ever being spelled out that Kirk was born there.

Of course nothing says that the prime universe ever had a starship named Kelvin.

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The fact that the Kelvin existed before Nero's incursion, implies that yes, the prime universe most absolutely had a starship named Kelvin.

 

[BillJ]

The more you dip into this the more you see the holes in the plot lol This is another universe no matter what JJ thinks lol Not even the Guardian can fix this one lol

Yeah, you're overthinking it.

But, since Abrams and company are the creators, I'll take their intent over your interpretations.

 

[Kor]

It's a "Broad strokes" depiction which uses the conceit of a timeline change to hand-wave away the things that are necessarily different. If they missed a few spots, so what?

Similarly, it's patently impossible for everything to be so completely and vastly different in TMP than in TOS even though they are chronologically very close. It must be a parallel universe!

We aren't meant to obsess about the trappings and minutiae in such exacting detail. Why do those things even matter?

Kor