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I don't see the point of bringing it into SNW unless it was made pertinent to one or more of the SNW characters. But given the nature of the accident, that would likely involve killing said characters, or people important to said characters. But then...where do you go from there? Is the character's trauma going to be a story beat for several episodes to come?
This seems like an Erica Ortegas story in the making. Presumably, it a family member or a close friend of hers or even a cadet she's advising that would die. But who knows? Maybe she does get killed off from the show.
This seems like an Erica Ortegas story in the making. Presumably, it a family member or a close friend of hers or even a cadet she's advising that would die. But who knows? Maybe she does get killed off from the show.
honestly, have it already have happened during her time at the academy, and use it as an object lesson she tells some reckless cadets on a training cruise voyage on the big E. instead of her being a survivor, she can talk about how her friends were chosen for the flight team, and she lost them because they decided to do something risky without need.
thus it isn't a major plot point, but rather an emotional beat that can build on her character development, while moving a sub-plot in the episode forward
honestly, have it already have happened during her time at the academy, and use it as an object lesson she tells some reckless cadets on a training cruise voyage on the big E. instead of her being a survivor, she can talk about how her friends were chosen for the flight team, and she lost them because they decided to do something risky without need.
thus it isn't a major plot point, but rather an emotional beat that can build on her character development, while moving a sub-plot in the episode forward
Nope. Unless they could tie a relevant story that really resonates with the SNW characters, there's no reason to do that. I'm sure there are plenty of accidents and incidents that have happened in the context of the Star Trek Universe that have been mentioned but not followed up on by any given Star Trek series in particular.
To do it just to do it and put a bow tie on a plot point to a TNG episode is a waste of time in my opinion.
With only 10 episodes a season, they should focus on making the most of the cast of characters they have.
I mean, they delved more into Pike's accident because he's a main character, and it's a defining moment for him personally, which is already established through TOS.
The KS incident only has the era it occurred in as its sole tie to the SNW-era.
I imagine the following episode format
Character gets a death notification for their friend/family member, and aren't near Earth so can't go back for the funeral. Spends the rest of the episode flashing back through their friendship/relationship, attempting to work through guilt at encouraging their friend/family member to join Starfleet. This all while they have to deal with their ship's crisis of the week.
I mean, they delved more into Pike's accident because he's a main character, and it's a defining moment for him personally, which is already established through TOS.
The KS incident only has the era it occurred in as its sole tie to the SNW-era.
I imagine the following episode format
Character gets a death notification for their friend/family member, and aren't near Earth so can't go back for the funeral. Spends the rest of the episode flashing back through their friendship/relationship, attempting to work through guilt at encouraging their friend/family member to join Starfleet. This all while they have to deal with their ship's crisis of the week.
I don't really see it working unless it gives us significant insight into the character we're already familiar with. Done badly, it could be another TATV, where we learn things that doesn't seem consistent with what we already know and don't give the story the time it should have to breathe.
Technically, there were two display teams, in the Autobiography book. Kirk and Mitchell were on one, and another bunch of pilots were in the other one, competing. They attempted the Starburst... then all died.
The other team was basically completely unscathed, as I recall.
You're telling me Mr. "I don't believe in no-win scenarios" wouldn't be the kind of guy who'd try to perfect the maneuver in subsequent years, even if it wasn't he who attempted it the first fatal time?
And before you ask, "with who?", in a simulator if he couldn't find enough fellow daredevils.
I mean, they delved more into Pike's accident because he's a main character, and it's a defining moment for him personally, which is already established through TOS.
The KS incident only has the era it occurred in as its sole tie to the SNW-era.
I imagine the following episode format
Character gets a death notification for their friend/family member, and aren't near Earth so can't go back for the funeral. Spends the rest of the episode flashing back through their friendship/relationship, attempting to work through guilt at encouraging their friend/family member to join Starfleet. This all while they have to deal with their ship's crisis of the week.
That idea, as it is vague, does not have to be tied to the Kolvoord Starburst accident though. It could very easily be about Pike, Una and Spock reflecting on Boyce after finding out he terminally ill.
It could be based around Ortegas and the prime timeline version of Olson.
Olson in the prime timeline and is a close Academy friend of Ortegas. Ortegas once taught him how to do the KS maneuver during her Academy days, and were pen pals during the Klingon war, which kept her morale up. Olson dies performing the KS maneuver that Ortegas has performed successfully countless times (could even throw in a couple of references to the Kelvin timeline and to Disco by saying Ortegas performed it with Darwin, Detmer and Owo). While the proceedings are overseen by one of her mentors Admiral Barnett. Ortegas deals with guilt as to whether she should have taught him to move at all and if she missed a chance to change his daredevil behaviour in the Academy, with a few flashbacks depicting her Academy days with Olson.
You're telling me Mr. "I don't believe in no-win scenarios" wouldn't be the kind of guy who'd try to perfect the maneuver in subsequent years, even if it wasn't he who attempted it the first fatal time?
And before you ask, "with who?", in a simulator if he couldn't find enough fellow daredevils.
You're telling me Mr. "I don't believe in no-win scenarios" wouldn't be the kind of guy who'd try to perfect the maneuver in subsequent years, even if it wasn't he who attempted it the first fatal time?
Just because Kirk has broken some rules in the past doesn't mean that he automatically breaks every rule for no reason.
Kirk cheated on the Kobayashi Maru test because, as he says in ST09, he realized that the test itself was a cheat.* In "Amok Time," Kirk decides not to take the Enterprise to Altair VI for a purely ceremonial function because to do otherwise could cost Mr. Spock his life. Similarly, Kirk and his crew defy orders and hijack the Enterprise in STIII because Kirk believes he has no other choice if he wants to help McCoy and Spock.
In other words, Kirk only defies orders if he has a good reason to. Attempting an extremely dangerous and forbidden flight maneuver for no reason doesn't qualify. If Kirk defies every order no matter what, then there's nothing exceptional about the times he decides to do so.
*You can quibble that what Kirk did to beat the KM test in the Kelvin Timeline wasn't the exact same thing that Prime Kirk did, and that's fine. But hopefully we can at least agree on both Kirks being sharp enough to realize that the test was rigged.
You're telling me Mr. "I don't believe in no-win scenarios" wouldn't be the kind of guy who'd try to perfect the maneuver in subsequent years, even if it wasn't he who attempted it the first fatal time?
It's only forbidden to Academy cadets, as I recall. Not to seasoned fighter jocks, research test pilots, or veteran helm officers of the caliber of Hikaru Sulu, Keyla Detmer, Tom Paris, or Erica Ortegas.
It's only forbidden to Academy cadets, as I recall. Not to seasoned fighter jocks, research test pilots, or veteran helm officers of the caliber of Hikaru Sulu, Keyla Detmer, Tom Paris, or Erica Ortegas.
...I guess that begs the question of why in everyday life any of them would want to attempt the maneuver. You'd need the people and ships to do it, for starters.
