Knowledge of the Borg
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"Generations","First Contact" movies or TNG's "The Neutral Zone".
Generations- Guinian & Soran are refugees from when the Borg took their world. That was way back during Kirk's time.
First Contact- Lily has seen the Borg first hand. Zefram is aware cybernetic beings trying to stop his launch. That pre-dates Archer & Kirk.
The Neutral Zone- The Romulans hint at "something" on the boarders of their space taking their outposts. That pre-dates "Q-Who".
Generations- Guinian & Soran are refugees from when the Borg took their world. That was way back during Kirk's time.
First Contact- Lily has seen the Borg first hand. Zefram is aware cybernetic beings trying to stop his launch. That pre-dates Archer & Kirk.
The Neutral Zone- The Romulans hint at "something" on the boarders of their space taking their outposts. That pre-dates "Q-Who".
the process IMO is as so:
- Picard destroys the sphere, and the debris lands in the Arctic.
- In Archer's day, the sphere and remaining Borg are uncovered, and Archer destroys the ship. Nobody knows for sure that this was the Borg.
- In the 24th century, Starfleet hears rumours of the Borg, and sends the Hansens to investigate.
- The Borg destroy both Romulan and Federation outposts in The Neutral Zone.
- Official/true first contact occurs in Q Who.
- Picard destroys the sphere, and the debris lands in the Arctic.
- In Archer's day, the sphere and remaining Borg are uncovered, and Archer destroys the ship. Nobody knows for sure that this was the Borg.
- In the 24th century, Starfleet hears rumours of the Borg, and sends the Hansens to investigate.
- The Borg destroy both Romulan and Federation outposts in The Neutral Zone.
- Official/true first contact occurs in Q Who.
I just rewatched "Dark Frontier" today, and you know what bothered me? That the USS Raven's bridge is different here than it is in "The Raven" - the console Seven cowered under is there, but the captain's chair next to it is gone.
No, I didn't care that Seven's parents had been recast, but that the damn spaceship was changed. I'm such a nerd
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Plus, we never actually got to see the ship crash, or little Annika getting Borgified. Fun episode, though (even if Queenie's obsession with Seven made no sense)
No, I didn't care that Seven's parents had been recast, but that the damn spaceship was changed. I'm such a nerd
.Plus, we never actually got to see the ship crash, or little Annika getting Borgified. Fun episode, though (even if Queenie's obsession with Seven made no sense)
I just rewatched "Dark Frontier" today, and you know what bothered me? That the USS Raven's bridge is different here than it is in "The Raven" - the console Seven cowered under is there, but the captain's chair next to it is gone.
No, I didn't care that Seven's parents had been recast, but that the damn spaceship was changed. I'm such a nerd
Plus, we never actually got to see the ship crash, or little Annika getting Borgified. Fun episode, though (even if Queenie's obsession with Seven made no sense)
It has been a while, but did they actually say it was the bridge in Dark Frontier? We've seen the crew fly the ship from different places both on TNG and Yoyager.
Right, because didn't Mama Hensen say that they had burned all their bridges, that they weren't even logging a flight plan and might not be welcomed back?
I would assume the seats got thrown loose on impact.I just rewatched "Dark Frontier" today, and you know what bothered me? That the USS Raven's bridge is different here than it is in "The Raven" - the console Seven cowered under is there, but the captain's chair next to it is gone.
No, I didn't care that Seven's parents had been recast, but that the damn spaceship was changed. I'm such a nerd
Plus, we never actually got to see the ship crash, or little Annika getting Borgified. Fun episode, though (even if Queenie's obsession with Seven made no sense)
Didn't we see that in "Generations" when the Enterprise went down?
I was under the impression that when Seven's parent's were looking for the Borg, no one believed that the Borg existed. Hence the ridicule they got for venturing out...
I guess it wouldn't be a clear-cut issue. There would be parties thinking that
a) a species of cyborgs existed, but was not a threat or opportunity worth further study
b) a species of cyborgs did not really exist, and people had just misinterpreted various pieces of evidence
c) a species named Borg was responsible for some historical events, but was unconnected to all these rumors about a species of cyborgs
d) a species of cyborgs existed, but attributions of certain historical events to them were false, and certainly they weren't called the Borg
e) the Borg were a divine force that would solve all the problems of the universe, and had to be contacted ASAP
f) the Borg were tiny creatures that lived under the surface of Nurkia III and had a bloated reputation, not to mention they smelled pretty bad
and so forth. There'd be too much knowledge and "knowledge" for anybody to form a coherent picture.
The same probably goes for more than half the alien species our heroes make "first contact" with. It will turn out that there have been rumors of them all along, and Starfleet has believed the wrong ones and failed to believe the right ones. The Ferengi are probably a prime example of a species that doesn't really want to be known too intimately...
Timo Saloniemi
a) a species of cyborgs existed, but was not a threat or opportunity worth further study
b) a species of cyborgs did not really exist, and people had just misinterpreted various pieces of evidence
c) a species named Borg was responsible for some historical events, but was unconnected to all these rumors about a species of cyborgs
d) a species of cyborgs existed, but attributions of certain historical events to them were false, and certainly they weren't called the Borg
e) the Borg were a divine force that would solve all the problems of the universe, and had to be contacted ASAP
f) the Borg were tiny creatures that lived under the surface of Nurkia III and had a bloated reputation, not to mention they smelled pretty bad
and so forth. There'd be too much knowledge and "knowledge" for anybody to form a coherent picture.
The same probably goes for more than half the alien species our heroes make "first contact" with. It will turn out that there have been rumors of them all along, and Starfleet has believed the wrong ones and failed to believe the right ones. The Ferengi are probably a prime example of a species that doesn't really want to be known too intimately...
Timo Saloniemi
I hated that...
"WHAT IS Yahnkeey traaader?"
I think the spurious legend of the Ferengi's impressive military might was generated by all the idiots out there being sold magic beans and having to justify how they were so completely fooled... "UM, no. We were... Um, ROBBED! HuGE Space ship! So many guns! And Kung Fu! Scared the shit out of us, it was a miracle we got away."
"WHAT IS Yahnkeey traaader?"
I think the spurious legend of the Ferengi's impressive military might was generated by all the idiots out there being sold magic beans and having to justify how they were so completely fooled... "UM, no. We were... Um, ROBBED! HuGE Space ship! So many guns! And Kung Fu! Scared the shit out of us, it was a miracle we got away."
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