Klingons

[dan_bevan]

The Klingons always seemed that they were the main bad guys to Kirk in the original series and movies. Kirk really hated the Klingons and i think involving them in Kirk's first big command would be an excellent idea. Plus Russell Crowe would make an excellent Klingon.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

If they used Klingons in this film, they'd probably have to be the QuchHa' (human-looking ones) and I'm not sure how good that would look on the big screen.

 

[dan_bevan]

Yeah that would be a problem as Enterprise as already identified this and shown why they became human looking. I couldnt see human looking Klingons being used in the new movie.

 

[Sharr Khan]

Babaganoosh said:
If they used Klingons in this film, they'd probably have to be the QuchHa' (human-looking ones) and I'm not sure how good that would look on the big screen.

I think the right amount of makeup (think Chang here) and the right costuming this would actually be very interesting. I'd go in the direction of Mongolian style armor for them.

Sharr

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Sharr Khan said:

Babaganoosh said:
If they used Klingons in this film, they'd probably have to be the QuchHa' (human-looking ones) and I'm not sure how good that would look on the big screen.

I think the right amount of makeup (think Chang here) and the right costuming this would actually be very interesting. I'd go in the direction of Mongolian style armor for them.

Sharr

So you're thinking in terms of John Ford's "Final Reflection" Klingons?

 

[Sharr Khan]

Cary L. Brown said:

Sharr Khan said:

Babaganoosh said:
If they used Klingons in this film, they'd probably have to be the QuchHa' (human-looking ones) and I'm not sure how good that would look on the big screen.

I think the right amount of makeup (think Chang here) and the right costuming this would actually be very interesting. I'd go in the direction of Mongolian style armor for them.

Sharr

So you're thinking in terms of John Ford's "Final Reflection" Klingons?

Yup!

Sharr

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Russell Crowe would be an excellent Klingon. So would William Shatner as Crowe's belligerant old bull of an admiral (or whatever the boss Klingons are called) who he's always butting heads with when he's not getting drunk with the guy on bloodwine and singing loudly & off-key.

Yeah that would be a problem as Enterprise as already identified this and shown why they became human looking.

iirc, the explanation left the possibility wide open of turtleheaded Klingons in Kirk's time. Which we saw on screen anyway.

 

[RookieBatman]

Hey! We could have the first meeting of Kirk and Koloth! They obviously already know each other in "Trouble with Tribbles" (the real-world explanation being that the Klingon there had originally been Kor, IIRC), but not even any of the novels or anything have depicted that meeting. It would be a way to put in a strong continuity reference for the fans without bringing in any baggage for the noobs (they wouldn't have to know that these guys meet again later to enjoy the story).
Of course, then Koloth couldn't die, which might be anti-climactic, but I don't think the villain really needs to die to make a good ending. It's certainly a thought-provoking concept, IMHO.
EDIT: As for smooth-heads versus ridges, I'd say smooth if you can make it look good, or very subtle ridges. I think that pronounced TNG ridges would really take me out of it, although I acknowledge that many people will probably say that smooth-heads will take them out of it. Nonetheless, "Trials and Tribble-ations" did canonically establish that the Klingons then were really smooth-heads, and it wasn't just a deficiency in budget. Doesn't mean that there can't be an ridged-heads, but I think the smooth-heads should be predominant. Just my two cents worth.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ I just had this vision of Russell Crowe playing Captain Koloth.

 

[Lumen]

I'm not sure if I want to see Klingons, but it could work. I'm open the possibility although I have misgivings about excessive makeup.

 

[ironduke555]

I'm so sick of the Klingons.If Crowe is the guy make him a Romulon.That would rock.

 

[GreenBlood]

dan_bevan said:
Plus Russell Crowe would make an excellent Klingon.

Just saw an action movie with The Rock in it. He could make an big, bad, awesome Klingon. Think about it, Kirk beats big, a$$ Klingon like David beat Goliath.

 

[Dradin]

No more Klingons. The Klingons really weren't that important in the Original Series, certainly no defining feature of it. To be honest, I'd like to see mostly humans in the new movie. Either that or some truly alien creature, like the Horta. The forehead-aliens have really become totally ridiculous by now.

 

[chardman]

Never understood the whole ridges vs non-ridges issue. We don't need the stupid reason that they used in ENT to explain it, either. There's a much simpler explanation.

Here's my take on the situation: We see two older, ridge-headed Klingons at a bar. In the background, a bunch of younger TOS-style Klingons are sitting at a table. One of the old Klingons looks back over his shoulder at them, then nudges his partner and says...

OLD KLINGON 1: "Would ya look at those dumb kids. No respect for the old ways. The way they dress is dishonorable. And their hair's so damn long in front, you can't even see their ridges!"

OLD KLINGON 2:"Relax, they're young. No different than you or I at that age. Our parents hated the way we dressed too. And tell me you never painted your ridges just cause you knew it'd piss 'em off even more."

OLD KLINGON 1: "Well..."

OLD KLINGON 2: "Of course you did. We all did. Young folks rebelling against the norm is nothing new. It's just a fashion thing. A Fad. And just like painted ridges of our day eventually went out of style, so will this. Sooner or later they'll come around, grow up, realize just how stupid they look, and cut their damn hair. And then the generation after these guys will adopt some new equally stupid fad, and it'll be these guys' turn to bitch and moan about it."


Thus, the TOS Klingons always had ridges, but we simply couldn't see them because of the way they wore their hair. No plague, or genetic tinkering, or anything more complicated than a simple, relatively short-lived fashion statement has ever been necessary to explain it.

 

[Stardate]

Re: Klingon's

i am tired of the Klingon's and matter of fact also Romulans and any other human bumpy head aliens.

 

[Lord Lunacy]

Re: Klingon's

No more forehead of the week/month aliens. They need something like species 8472..3 legged freak that one could mistake for giant locust. The Horta were definitely alien...a creature that resembles a living turd, and one that could burrow through rock to boot. Excalibans come to mind as well. Instead of just one turd, they looked like 3 turds pilled on top of one another...truly alien. So to hell with the Klingons, they've been done to death already.

 

[Warped9]

dan_bevan said:
The Klingons always seemed that they were the main bad guys to Kirk in the original series and movies. Kirk really hated the Klingons and i think involving them in Kirk's first big command would be an excellent idea. Plus Russell Crowe would make an excellent Klingon.

Putting Klingons yet again in a Trek movie would truly be stupid.

The more I see the more I'm convinced that folks don't even remember TOS. They only remember parts of it.

In TOS the Klingons were referenced perhaps six times and actually seen only three times. And that's out of 79 episodes.

There was more to Star Trek than Klingons. Too bad so many don't get that.

Dradin said:
No more Klingons. The Klingons really weren't that important in the Original Series, certainly no defining feature of it. To be honest, I'd like to see mostly humans in the new movie. Either that or some truly alien creature, like the Horta. The forehead-aliens have really become totally ridiculous by now.

True.

 

[pookha]

but while not actually appearing that often percentage wise they cast a long shadow over a series that didnt have that much in the way of reoccuring elements.


they are by far the primary bad guys of tos. the federation almost goes to war with them and after ward the klingons still show up but now affected by the organian peace treaty .

we see them try and sabotage so many things. the competition over the development of a world, a federation trade talks with a planet. messing in with the people of a young world, messing in with the peace talks of two worlds.


and we get from errand of mercy and trouble with tribbles that the federation had a past with the klingons.

while i want to personally see other aliens i can certainly see why the klingons are in the minds of so many fans.

 

[Warped9]

pookha said:
but while not actually appearing that often percentage wise they cast a long shadow over a series that didnt have that much in the way of reoccuring elements.

Yeah, they made an effort to incorporate novelty.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Warped9 said:
Putting Klingons yet again in a Trek movie would truly be stupid.

The more I see the more I'm convinced that folks don't even remember TOS. They only remember parts of it.

In TOS the Klingons were referenced perhaps six times and actually seen only three times. And that's out of 79 episodes.

There was more to Star Trek than Klingons. Too bad so many don't get that.

"The Klingons" were actually shown in five episodes (Friday's Child, Tribbles, Errand of Mercy, A Private Little War, and Day of the Dove). And, if you count 'Savage Curtain' -- which had a Klingon, Kahless, but was not about "The Klingons" -- then that makes six episodes. (That's 7.5% of all TOS episodes, by the way)

However, just because they were not a big part of TOS as a whole, they were still the most widely used alien race in TOS (except of course vulcans), the fact that they were only in 6 episodes does not in of itself make it be "stupid" to include them. Having said that, I'm not convinced that an alien race shown in ST:XI needs to be one that we saw previously in TOS. If they do decide to include a TOS alien, I would much rather it be Romulans -- they were much more interesting, IMO, even though we only saw them twice.

But if this movie is pre-Balance of Terror, it may be hard to include Romulans.