Klingon Warbird.

[GalaxyClass1701]

Ok I liked for the most part the JJ film but this bugged me. During the KM test they referred to the Klingon battle cruisers as warbirds.

It's a little thing that nagged me for the rest of the film. Am I crazy or did this bug anyone else?

 

[Nerys Myk]

For about a second.

ENT called them warbirds once, too.

 

[The Wormhole]

There's precedent. The term "Klingon Warbird" was used in the Enterprise pilot episode Broken Bow as well.

Thing is, I remember when Broken Bow aired, people were furious over the term "Klingon Warbird" being used. Some were using it as grounds that Berman and Braga didn't know Trek and shouldn't be allowed to write any more episodes, others docked the episode five points out of a potential ten in their reveiws over it. And yet, there's barely been a whimper over it being in Trek XI.

What the hell gives?

 

[GalaxyClass1701]

I don't know why it was little things like tis that bugged me about the film even more than wiping out Romulas and Vulcan.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I noticed that they said "warbird", usually a Romulan name. Thing is, Klingon ships are bird-like in design - they've got wings, a body, a neck and a head. Thus it's fine. Don't both Klingons and Romulans have different ships called "Bird of Prey" already?

Had the Klingon ships not resembled birds, it would have been a problem .

 

[milo bloom]

There's precedent. The term "Klingon Warbird" was used in the Enterprise pilot episode Broken Bow as well.

If you really want precedent, The Search for Spock was supposed to have Romulans in a Romulan bird-of-prey looking for the Genesis secrets. When they changed them to Klingons, they forgot to change the ship type so now Klingons had birds-of-prey.

I don't know why it was little things like tis that bugged me about the film even more than wiping out Romulas and Vulcan.

Because the wiping out of Romulus and Vulcan, while certainly large events, weren't what some would consider "factual" errors. They were story events, and while they were out of the ordinary, they didn't go against a somewhat established convention (which, as we have already discussed, is already pretty flimsy).

 

[C.E. Evans]

I like the idea that the Klingons and the Romulans had a brief alliance during TOS and the terms "warbird" and "bird of prey" were interchanged between them.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I like the idea that the Klingons and the Romulans had a brief alliance during TOS and the terms "warbird" and "bird of prey" were interchanged between them.

Except it had to be much earlier, since Enterprise had Klingon Warbirds, Klingon Bird-of-Preys and Romulan Bird-of-Preys

 

[C.E. Evans]

I like the idea that the Klingons and the Romulans had a brief alliance during TOS and the terms "warbird" and "bird of prey" were interchanged between them.

Except it had to be much earlier, since Enterprise had Klingon Warbirds, Klingon Bird-of-Preys and Romulan Bird-of-Preys

It's certainly possible that the terms were interchanged much earlier. The Klingons may have known about the Romulans for much longer than the Federation did, especially if their borders were much closer.

Either that or the terms are simply generic for both the Klingons and the Romulans...

 

[Nerys Myk]

I like the idea that the Klingons and the Romulans had a brief alliance during TOS and the terms "warbird" and "bird of prey" were interchanged between them.

Except it had to be much earlier, since Enterprise had Klingon Warbirds, Klingon Bird-of-Preys and Romulan Bird-of-Preys

It's certainly possible that the terms were interchanged much earlier. The Klingons may have known about the Romulans for much longer than the Federation did, especially if their borders were much closer.

Either that or the terms are simply generic for both the Klingons and the Romulans...

which brings up the question of who is applying the names. If the Klingons and Romulans are supplying the names, then "warbird" or "bird of prey" are the English translations of the Romulan and Klingon terms.

 

[C.E. Evans]

Except it had to be much earlier, since Enterprise had Klingon Warbirds, Klingon Bird-of-Preys and Romulan Bird-of-Preys

It's certainly possible that the terms were interchanged much earlier. The Klingons may have known about the Romulans for much longer than the Federation did, especially if their borders were much closer.

Either that or the terms are simply generic for both the Klingons and the Romulans...

which brings up the question of who is applying the names. If the Klingons and Romulans are supplying the names, then "warbird" or "bird of prey" are the English translations of the Romulan and Klingon terms.

I thought about that too. In such a case, the terms may not be limited to Romulan and Klingon ships. Maybe some other non-Federation races we haven't seen yet also have ships classified as warbirds as well...

 

[T'Girl]

which brings up the question of who is applying the names. If the Klingons and Romulans are supplying the names, then "warbird" or "bird of prey" are the English translations of the Romulan and Klingon terms.

In the episode Sleeping Dogs, the Vulcan database refers to the Klingon ship as a Raptor Class scout vessel. Raptor in English means bird of prey, but Travis was reading the entry in (presumably) English.

So the designation might be something the Vulcans come up with as their own designator.

Romulan ships were painted with a large bird design, but did the Romulans ever refer to their own ships as birds of prey?

 

[Nerys Myk]

which brings up the question of who is applying the names. If the Klingons and Romulans are supplying the names, then "warbird" or "bird of prey" are the English translations of the Romulan and Klingon terms.

In the episode Sleeping Dogs, the Vulcan database refers to the Klingon ship as a Raptor Class scout vessel. Raptor in English means bird of prey, but Travis was reading the entry in (presumably) English.

So the designation might be something the Vulcans come up with as their own designator.

Romulan ships were painted with a large bird design, but did the Romulans ever refer to their own ships as birds of prey?

Not in TOS. "Bird of Prey" seems to a term fandom and the merchandising people started using.

 

[sbk1234]

I'll be honest, the term bugged me a bit, but not enough to affect my overall enjoyment of the film. It was more that it was one of those simple little things that could have been avoided with a little care to research the continuity, and a #2 pencil and eraser. But as I said, it didn't ruin the film for me, or lower its overall score.

You know, come to think of it, things relating to Star Trek continuity would be a lot easier if they would just stop producing any and all new Star Trek once and for all.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

In TNG, the Federation referred to the Romulan ships as "B type warbirds", but the Romulans called them D'Deridex.

The Klingons had names like Vorcha class and whatnot.

The *bird* related names sure could've been Federation designations.

 

[T'Girl]

During the cold war when Russia would produce a new airplane NATO wouldn't usually know what it was called and would simply give it a name of their own. Fighters would start with a F, bombers start with B.

 

[Rett Mikhal]

I've always thought the STIII Bird-of-Prey fits the Klingons more than the Romulans. Sure, it can cloak and has bird feathers etched into it, but... well look at it. It looks like crap. It looks like it's made of spare parts and used spare parts. It looks like it is built for war and built cheap, like most Klingon ships, whereas Romulan vessels have an unnecessary elegance to them like they're carved from diamond and emerald. I'm glad they decided to switch to Klingons at the last second.

I didn't have a problem with the phrase being used in the movie because it's just a cool name.

 

[The Wormhole]

In TNG, the Federation referred to the Romulan ships as "B type warbirds", but the Romulans called them D'Deridex.

Actually, we've never heard Romulans call the ships anything other than "Warbird." B-Type Warbird was spoken by Picard in The Defector, and it was Data that said D'deridex in Tin Man.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I've always thought the STIII Bird-of-Prey fits the Klingons more than the Romulans. Sure, it can cloak and has bird feathers etched into it, but... well look at it. It looks like crap. It looks like it's made of spare parts and used spare parts. It looks like it is built for war and built cheap, like most Klingon ships, whereas Romulan vessels have an unnecessary elegance to them like they're carved from diamond and emerald. I'm glad they decided to switch to Klingons at the last second.

I didn't have a problem with the phrase being used in the movie because it's just a cool name.

Are you sure they designed the ship before they decided to switch races? Even if they did, who's to say the design was significantly altered to be more "Klingon." I really don't know.

However, I thought having the Klingons have a cloak was a bad idea in the first place. Where's the honor in hiding and surreptitiously attacking enemies unawares from the shadows? They talk all-day-long about honor and facing death head on, but when it comes right down to it, they prefer to stab their foes in the back.

Just another wasteful misstep by the [not so] dynamic Nicky and Harvey duo.

If they would have left it as Kruge stealing it from the Rommies, if would have been fine. But not only did they cut that out, they only augmented the problem by having the Klingons design one that can fire while cloaked. So not only can they jam the knife in the backs of their advisories, they can throw the knives while standing behind a tree. That'll definitely earn ya a spot in Sto'Vo'Kor.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

In TNG, the Federation referred to the Romulan ships as "B type warbirds", but the Romulans called them D'Deridex.

Actually, we've never heard Romulans call the ships anything other than "Warbird." B-Type Warbird was spoken by Picard in The Defector, and it was Data that said D'deridex in Tin Man.

I actually couldn't remember where D'Deridex was spoken, but it sounds more Romulan than anything.