Klingon scientists ?

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  1. Sisko_is_my_captain

    Sisko_is_my_captain Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Perhaps longer-lived species like Vulcan and Romulans (and Klingons?) have a longer-term view of advancement. For a human, waiting 25 years to go from warp 2 to warp 3 engines represents much of a person's working life; for a Vulcan who can live 200 yrs, that's the equivalent of their first job out of college. So if these species aren't in as much of a hurry, then we hasty humans might just have an advantage in self-motivation.
     
  2. Ronald Held

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    The ships that made it to Romulus/Remus have never canonically said to be FTL. Going close to c, plus the long lifespan might allow those leaving Vulcan to arrive at their destination?
     
  3. Leathco

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    I can also see Klingons having a Scientific Acquisitions officer, someone who takes the technology of races that Klingons run into and research it to absorb it into the Klingon empire. If I remember correctly, didn't Klingons gain space travel from defeating another race that had invaded their world by stealing and studying their spacecraft? The Husnock if I recall.
     
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  4. Shaka Zulu

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    I'm sorry, Guy, but I never bought that bit about the Romulans not having warp drive at the time of the Romulan War: the Romulans were an empire stretching considerably great distances. For them, warp drive of some type had to exist, otherwise there would be no empire, as it would be hard to maintain control of however many systems said empire would have. I choose to believe that what was written in the episode was done early in the show before everything was completely nailed down (can't believe that Roddenberry wouldn't have at least got all details in writing before episodes were written, but there it is.)

    Also, I don't believe that all the Romulans or the Klingons had were/was just only Warp 2, otherwise (again) there would be no empire. I believe that both of these political entities had Warp 5 or 6, so that they would be able to meet each other and become allies, and also to create and maintain their respective empires.
     
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  5. Sisko_is_my_captain

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    You're thinking of the Hur'q, who invaded ancient Qo'noS. The Husnock attacked a human colony in TNG and were obliterated by a Douwd secretly living among the humans.
     
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  6. C.E. Evans

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    I would argue that most Klingon scientists are probably on par with most Federation scientists--it's just that Klingon warriors tend to shout more and boast more about what they do.

    I tend to think that Klingon scientists probably warned the High Council years--if not decades ago--that something bad was going to happen to Praxis, but their warnings were largely ignored because the Council still needed Praxis to power the Empire's war machines.
     
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  7. Guy Gardener

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    Logically you are right.

    Canon disagrees with you.

    QuonoS is a four day trip to Earth at Warp 5 (Ent Broken Bow).

    Vulcan protection is the only reason that there is not a Klingon flag on Earth since the 1700s. Logically the Klingons got Warp 5 AFTER the Vulcans met Zephram Cochrane.

    In the under appreciated tv series Enterprise they tried to resolve the Romulans had no warp drive with Warp "raider" carriers, that the Humans never saw, which they did, take dozens of non warp fighters into battle. So the Romulan battle groups did not have warp, and it was just a weird mystery how they got any where.
     
  8. Nerys Myk

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    Wasn't the entire battle in "Balance of Terror" fought at warp?
     
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    P'Ndex'R: As you see my prediction of a massive explosion on Praxis was correct.
    Gorkon: Kill him and erase his name from the history books!
     
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  10. Therin of Andor

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    The novel "A Flag Full of Stars", in "The Lost Years" saga, features Dr. G'dath, an exiled Klingon civilian scientist.
     
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  11. Guy Gardener

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    Klingon life expectancy.

    10 years to train a scientist who can then work for 2 or three hundred years.

    A human scientist can only work for 40 years before retiring and dying.

    Although the number of excessive human generations compared to Klingon generations may explain a lack of innovation?
     
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  13. Poltargyst

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    Canon shmanon. Sometimes it's okay to acknowledge that the writers screwed up.
     
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  14. Poltargyst

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    Probably the same reasons the Kryptonians didn't listen to Jor El.
     
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  15. Guy Gardener

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    I was thinking that the Klingons may have claimed Earth 500 years ago, because there are plenty of places where a Klingon flag could have flown and Rome or Spain might never have known about it, to record for prosperity.

    Although the Vatican would clearly cover it up.

    Angels that look like devils who say that they killed god.
     
  16. Poltargyst

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    :Single eyebrow raise: Fascinating.
     
  17. mike hill

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    In the excellent "The Final Reflection" there is an instance of a conquered race called the Willal who "didn't know what they had" and that tech was recognised by Klingon scientists and taken to serve the Empire.
     
  18. Orphalesion

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    Since the Klingons were (or came to be) a stand-in for the Soviet Union and are canonically said to come from resource-poor worlds, I'd model their science divisions on that.
    So they were roughly on par with the Federation, maybe even surpassing them in some fields and had roughly as many science officers and facilities.
    But the way that their science was focused likely differed. Instead of doing research to discover the unknown or to improve the lives of the general populace, they were probably focused on finding new resources on planets, developing weapons to conquer said planets and developing and improving their star ships. Probably also big and showy projects like that energy extracting facility on Praxis (if that still counts as being TOS Klingon)
    Other fields of science were probably neglected and it's possible that the bureaucracy of their Empire frequently got in the way of implementing new improvements or discoveries.

    So on ships they probably had scientists that were primarily accomplished in those fields the Empire saw as a priority, so probably plenty of geologists and engineers and astronomers who could assess the composition of stellar objects andsuch, but no historian who spends most of her time painting portraits of historical figures in her quarters.
     
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  19. Phaser Two

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    Aaaaaaaaand continued by DISCO . . . .
     
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  20. Timo

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    ...And without shields. In terms of commands uttered by the characters, that is.

    Plotwise, the story is all over the place, with the ships creeping around a comet's tail but never changing speed for this maneuver, yet chasing each other at the best possible emergency desperation warp Scotty can squeeze out of his poor bairns. Overall, it's best ignored - it's a forgettable retelling of a generic WWII tale anyway, with only the "Romulans are Vulcans!" aspect to pique our interests.

    The Hur'Q were characterized as raiders who looted and fled. This is somewhat at odds with what the novels did with the culture, claiming that there was an occupation and a chance for the Klingons to do something about it, perhaps even steal technology from their oppressors.

    Klingon science remains a mystery, in terms of timelines. We know they were starfaring back in 2016 when they butted heads with Vulcans for the first time, but did Kahless forge the first bat'leth with a charcoal furnace and a big hammer; with a plasma torch and a duranium waldo; or with a heavy duty replicator? Klingon technology might be ancient, or then recent: we learn nothing from stories mentioning walls and bladed weapons, because those remain in use in the 24th century still...

    Timo Saloniemi