Klingon Negh'Dar

[foravalon]

Patrickivan said:
I won't even get into the issue of derivative works. The lines get blurred when an original work is altered to the point that the creation in question becomes an original work in itself. Hell, that's most of Trek Art!

If not all.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Sonic... you've made your point. You've also, I'm sure, pretty thoroughly pissed off Fire, and honestly, pissed off ME as well.

IF you feel that a TrekBBS rule has been violated, you have ONE THING you're supposed to do. Hit the "report to moderator" button, and ask them to look into it. If THEY determine that BBS rules have been broken, they can deal with it. I may be mistaken, but I don't believe that you're a moderator, are you?

Moderator, can we have a "ruling" on this?

 

[Ptrope]

Well, that's a fine string of rationalizations we have going there.

• Did you use someone else's original art? Yes? They get credit.
• Did you use someone else's original mesh in your 3D model? Yes? If they didn't give a specific license that the model could be used in any and all works, commercial and non-commercial, then they get credit; if the mesh was purchased with such a non-exclusive license, then credit isn't necessary.
• Did you use screen caps from an episode? Technically, yes, you should credit the original source, but given that this is the overwhelming origin of most art on this and most other Trek BBSes, it's pretty much become a given that these known and legitimate sources go uncredited. We tend to be a bit more lax about those, but don't let that lull you into thinking that, just because you've seen someone else's art "everywhere," that it falls into the same category.
• Did you cut-and-paste original art, whether from a commercial or a fan source, to create the majority of your art? Yes? The original source gets credited.

This keeps coming up, and it's just not as complicated as people try to make it. If you did not create the original source of your artwork, you need to credit the person or persons who did, and, yes, that especially applies to other fans' artwork or works that are not produced under license by the copyright holders. It's not only appropriate, it's simply common courtesy to your fellow fans - even those fans who may have gotten paid, legitimately, for their work. It's really not about copyrights, because in many ways, most of the artwork that is not based solely upon the creator's pen, paintbrush, pencil or mouse is in violation of copyright in some way, and it doesn't matter whether you are making money from it or not.

If you build a model (real or virtual) based upon someone's design (like one of MJ's ship designs), you're not actually using their art - you don't need to credit it. If you paint a picture based upon someone's design, you don't need to credit it. If you paint a picture based upon someone's art, however (say you do a Trek picture that clearly is derivative of another artist's work, like a painting by Ralph McQuarrie ... or da Vinci ... or Forbin ), credit it. "Fair use" is for things like commentary, or parody, or public review - it's not for things like creating your own pictures out of the pieces of others' original work.

What it comes down to is this: if it's in the board rules, do it. It doesn't matter whether you agree with it, it doesn't matter how you wish to interpret it or to circumlocute it - just do it. You agreed to abide by the board's rules when you joined. And if you see what you believe is a violation of the board rules, notify the moderator! That's why we have the button, so these things don't get out of hand - as you can see, non-mods who try to moderate anyway usually end up in the midst of unnecessary friction.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Well i'm officially put off from doing kitbashes again thats for sure, not worth the hassle.

 

[lennier1]

Nice to see how much time can be wasted over nothing.

It´s one thing when it comes to material created by fans but the official stuff has been payed for many times over. And the artists behind that stuff usually couldn´t care less as long as they get the money for their job.

@Fire: Sorry you were on the receiving end of all this. Some people simply have too much time spare for their own good.

 

[Patrickivan]

Fire- Don't be put off! Our comments were self serving, and should have been done privately.

Keep on posting! I'd sill like to see some side and front views. Some specs and if you are up to it, an internal arrangement...

I apologize for causing any problems.

 

[Ptrope]

Fire said:
Well i'm officially put off from doing kitbashes again thats for sure, not worth the hassle.

How much hassle is it to simply put a small line of text on an image giving credit to the source? "Original image copyright Starfleet Battles" or whatever.

Sorry you're "put off," but I just don't see that this is a big issue.

 

[HRHTheKING]

Fire said:
Klingon Negh'Dar Class Escort Vessel.

I like it!

 

[Kaiser]

Well at least i downloaded before it was too late