Klingon K'Tinga Size Question

[FalTorPan]

I have no strong opinion about the apparent relative sizes of the D7 and K't'inga. All I know is that the folks who built the K't'inga miniature stuffed an amazing amount of detail onto that model!

 

[Christopher]

^^But not as much as on the refit Enterprise. I read once that that was the most detailed miniature spaceship ever created, as of 1979, anyway. Although I'd imagine Greg Jein's Close Encounters mothership would be a close competitor.

 

[RobertScorpio]

^^But not as much as on the refit Enterprise. I read once that that was the most detailed miniature spaceship ever created, as of 1979, anyway. Although I'd imagine Greg Jein's Close Encounters mothership would be a close competitor.

Everyday I pass two or three Aircraft Carriers on the bast I work at. I am always amazed about how the painting job on that TMP model was so life-life. Especially the 'square' bulkhead look of the skin. It looks JUST like the skin of the real carriers...gives the impression that maybe someday, somehow, they might make one of those things...

Rob
Scorpio

 

[CuttingEdge100]

I decided I would do a comparison myself.

The D-7 with the longer nacelles (which if you even look at the K'Tinga, it does) is around 232 1/3 meters.


CuttingEdge100

 

[FalTorPan]

^^But not as much as on the refit Enterprise. I read once that that was the most detailed miniature spaceship ever created, as of 1979, anyway. Although I'd imagine Greg Jein's Close Encounters mothership would be a close competitor.

I wish someone had taken nice, in-focus, close-up photos of the botanical garden at the bottom of the filming miniature.

 

[BolianAuthor]

No you don't. The refit 1701 has absolutely nothing to do with this argument... that's like saying, "Well, if the Americans just refitted the U.S.S. Nimitz, then obviously, we Russians MUST refit our Kiev-Class ships."... that makes no sense. Even if the Klingons did want to refit their fleet, to cope with a new space race or whatever, it wouldn't happen for some time... at the time of TMP, Decker told Admiral Kirk that the Enterprise was an entirely new ship... NEW... that means that she was the only currently refitted Connie out there, with presumably more to follow... and TMP was her shakedown cruise.

It could also be argued that Starfleet's decision to refit the NCC-1701 to such a massive extent (as opposed to commissioning an entirely new starship class which would have presumably taken more time) was precisely because of the clear and present threat posed to the UFP by the relatively sudden appearance of the K't'ingas.

TGT

Perhaps, but unlikely... if Star trek has taught us anything, it's that the Klingon Empire keeps using a ship until it's either destroyed in glorious battle, or disintegrates on its own... I mean, for god's sakes... the Klingons were using D-7's and K'Tinga's during the Battle of DS9!!! and assuming the D-7's were already well-established in TOS time, that's like sending the sailing ship Constitution to the Persian Gulf!

The point being, that the Klingons don't upgrade or build anything ew, util the absolutely have to.

 

[Timo]

One would expect the inevitable spacecraft/weapons technology R&D feedback loop between the UFP and Klingon Empire to make such a scenario rather unlikely

But one might also take into consideration that a lot of the adversaries to the Klingon Empire are going to be less advanced than the Federation, all the way down to bronze-age cultures.

Really, if 17th century warships had had longer structural lives, the British Empire might well have preferred to keep the oldest ones in service alongside the more modern ones, so that modern shipbuilding effort could be directed at defeating the French or the Spanish, and existing resources could hold the rest of the Empire together.

The Soviets had the art down pat: their navy ran even the most obsolete rust buckets until they were so low in the water that their keels no longer cleared the harbor bottom, after which the wrecks became barracks or depots. Some of the largest ships like the Sverdlov cruisers were also rescued from complete obsolescence through refits, a move that might make economical sense for the Klingons and their largest battle cruisers as well.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Solariabsg25]

One would expect the inevitable spacecraft/weapons technology R&D feedback loop between the UFP and Klingon Empire to make such a scenario rather unlikely

But one might also take into consideration that a lot of the adversaries to the Klingon Empire are going to be less advanced than the Federation, all the way down to bronze-age cultures.

Really, if 17th century warships had had longer structural lives, the British Empire might well have preferred to keep the oldest ones in service alongside the more modern ones, so that modern shipbuilding effort could be directed at defeating the French or the Spanish, and existing resources could hold the rest of the Empire together.

The Soviets had the art down pat: their navy ran even the most obsolete rust buckets until they were so low in the water that their keels no longer cleared the harbor bottom, after which the wrecks became barracks or depots. Some of the largest ships like the Sverdlov cruisers were also rescued from complete obsolescence through refits, a move that might make economical sense for the Klingons and their largest battle cruisers as well.

Timo Saloniemi

I think the Soviet comparison fits quite well to the Klingons. There has been a lot of speculation that the Empire is a little starved for resources, and it could well be that they refit, refit and refit, rather than manufacture new, up until the spaceframes finally could not handle any further technological advances, leading to the manufacture of the Vorchans.

The Battlecruiser design has been around for a century by the time of TNG, the Bird of Prey for at least 60 years, possibly longer as Sulu in STIII seemed familiar with the visual appearance of the ship when it decloaked, as if he'd enoucntered them before rather than just seeing Starfleet briefings.

 

[CuttingEdge100]

Uh... I got some data (I think it was on an ex-astris scientia page) stating that the D-7 was 228.3 meters, not 228 meters. If the D-7's correct size was 228.3 meters, the D-7M K'Tinga would be 232.64 meters.


CuttingEdge100
BTW: If the D-7's size was the 228 meter figure as I used before, then the D-7M K'Tinga with the longer nacelles would be as I said around 232 1/3 meters.