Yeah, Chekov's Dutch Boy outfit might very well be the *worst* casual wear ever, ever seen in any TREK movie or series.
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Also because Koenig demanded that they lose the broad collar early in the piece.
McCoy was rocking a pretty cool outfit though!
I don't think Kirk's was that horrible.
I don't think Kirk's was that horrible.
Ditto... I want a replica of that jacket.
What I really want is a decent replica of the field jackets from The Wrath of Khan - they're absolutely wicked (and functional, with jumbo pockets, etc).
However, I'm in the middle of moving from San Antonio (daily highs of 100-103 lately) to Key Largo, so I'd be unlikely to wear either very often...
Fletcher was basing the costumes on historical influences, something about cultures looking to the past. So Checkovs was based on older russian clothing. Sulu's was based on the kimono's of japan.
He also had this theory of "corrupted colors", which is why the colors always seem a little different than normal.
He also had this theory of "corrupted colors", which is why the colors always seem a little different than normal.
The whole thing never made ANY sense.
Whose transporter was being used to beam the Klingons? The Enterprises?
Insane! The Ent could have beamed them into space and then beamed over to the depleted BOP ship with an adavantadge. Kirk actually says. "Activating beam"
What? The klingons let Kirk beam them over? But if it is the BOP transporter why are they beaming to the transporter room? Why not directly to the bridge of a corridor or anywhere else?
If the Ent transporter was being used to beam the Klingons they couldn't be using it to beam the klingons at the same time, right?
I always wondered why trops being beamed over aren't beamed in a defensive formation......in a circle or crouching or guns aimed out---just in case of a trap.
Oh well, never liked that whole sequence anyway. Shooting two photons and getting the upper hand & then the 'automation system' just goes out.
I never understood why just because it was on auto it would go out so fast--without even being hit by a klingon weapon.
They were just so determined to get rid of the Ent.
A few years after it's total re-fit it's a training ship? It's 'day is over' ??
Whose transporter was being used to beam the Klingons? The Enterprises?
Insane! The Ent could have beamed them into space and then beamed over to the depleted BOP ship with an adavantadge. Kirk actually says. "Activating beam"
What? The klingons let Kirk beam them over? But if it is the BOP transporter why are they beaming to the transporter room? Why not directly to the bridge of a corridor or anywhere else?
If the Ent transporter was being used to beam the Klingons they couldn't be using it to beam the klingons at the same time, right?
I always wondered why trops being beamed over aren't beamed in a defensive formation......in a circle or crouching or guns aimed out---just in case of a trap.
Oh well, never liked that whole sequence anyway. Shooting two photons and getting the upper hand & then the 'automation system' just goes out.
I never understood why just because it was on auto it would go out so fast--without even being hit by a klingon weapon.
They were just so determined to get rid of the Ent.
A few years after it's total re-fit it's a training ship? It's 'day is over' ??
Grant this is the movie era, they still beam transporter to transporter or transporter to specific beaming coordinates. The site to site and relatively simple beaming didn't take hold until the TNG era.
Also when you beam to a transporter, the color is that of the pad equipment itself. this is why the beaming effect in TUC was blue on the enterprise but klingon orange on the Kronos one.
Also when you beam to a transporter, the color is that of the pad equipment itself. this is why the beaming effect in TUC was blue on the enterprise but klingon orange on the Kronos one.
^^I'm confused.
I'm pretty sure that when the klingons arrive in the ENT in TSFS it the klingon orange---NOT the enterprise blue color we see.
And I do understand the preference of beaming onto another transporter pad, but it's not required----especially in a combat situation.
They had intra ship(?) beaming as early as Day of Dove.
I don't see the logic of beaming almost your entire crew to an enemy ship at the exact post they expect you to appear.
To me they really had the klingons appear on the transporter pad just for dramatic effect---the heroes leaving and the klingons arriving in the same shot.
And I can't recall the episodes but I'm pretty sure they beamed from the Ent to other Fed starships and didn't arrive on the other ships pads but on the bridge or whatever.
Omega Glory? Tholian Web? Doomsday Machine?
I'm pretty sure that when the klingons arrive in the ENT in TSFS it the klingon orange---NOT the enterprise blue color we see.
And I do understand the preference of beaming onto another transporter pad, but it's not required----especially in a combat situation.
They had intra ship(?) beaming as early as Day of Dove.
I don't see the logic of beaming almost your entire crew to an enemy ship at the exact post they expect you to appear.
To me they really had the klingons appear on the transporter pad just for dramatic effect---the heroes leaving and the klingons arriving in the same shot.
And I can't recall the episodes but I'm pretty sure they beamed from the Ent to other Fed starships and didn't arrive on the other ships pads but on the bridge or whatever.
Omega Glory? Tholian Web? Doomsday Machine?
Nope, it was the enterprise blue: http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tsfs/ch8/tsfs0920.jpg
Well, don't forget that both ships just got nailed by photorps without shields. Enterprise lost the automation system and the BoP was on emergency power by that point.
Thanks for that photo link.
That means the klingons WERE using the Ent transporters for part of the beaming process. I still find that really odd.
Even though may Kirk may not have known it---Kruge was sending all but one of his men to an enemy ship---which he thought had a large crew---and assumed that the six guys would arrive okay, subdue the crew, take the ship and there'd be no problems.
Did he know for sure that the Ent didn't have a second transporter room and at the same time wouldn't board his ship with reduced crew?
I know it can be explained if you try, but I just don't like it at all and can't accept that it makes sense.
That means the klingons WERE using the Ent transporters for part of the beaming process. I still find that really odd.
Even though may Kirk may not have known it---Kruge was sending all but one of his men to an enemy ship---which he thought had a large crew---and assumed that the six guys would arrive okay, subdue the crew, take the ship and there'd be no problems.
Did he know for sure that the Ent didn't have a second transporter room and at the same time wouldn't board his ship with reduced crew?
I know it can be explained if you try, but I just don't like it at all and can't accept that it makes sense.
Kruge only had to hit one button to fire a torpedo that would finish off the Enterprise. He knew from the fact that they hadn't been finished off that Kirk's ship was crippled. Even if it did have a full crew on board, so long as there was one person on the bridge of the Bird of Prey, the Enterprise crew wouldn't dare resist.
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Are you kidding, the torps as seen in SFS don't seem to do shit. a point-blank shot that shorts out some wiring but doesn't destroy the hull? A second torp might have made some more lights go out, but the arbitrary yield of these things makes throwing rocks or opening an airlock and firing sidearm phasers at the E seem an effective, even more viable alternative.
It is explainable in the fact that these are all desperate bluffs and gambles on both sides...
Kruge has hostages and knows he's crippled the E. He thinks he can board the E with impunity. He's hoping that Kirk won't realize that he'll need to send his entire crew over to do it.
Kirk DOES realize it'll take the entire crew of the BOP to take the ship. "Looking forward to meeting you" shows that Kirk hopes Kruge will come aboard as well.
Here's the biggest bluff of all that works. Kruge does believes the E has a full crew compliment. Probably does until his death. When the E goes up in flames he believes Kirk and all 350 men and women are on board. With no one left to negotiate with he has to hold on the last two hostages that he has. This gives Kirk time to free them. By the time Kirk gets to the camp site Kruge still hasn't recovered from an unbelievable defeat.
I'd say that explains all of it, in a dramatically and logically satisfactory way. Just add a few believable factoids: say, the transporters of Kruge's ship being out of commission at the time, so he needed to borrow Kirk's.
Now, at the crucial second of the Klingon beam-in (but not at other times), Kirk could in theory have used his transporters to beam to Kruge's bridge. Or to beam Kruge out to space. Or to beam out the stopper in Kruge's antimatter barrel. But all of those require finesse, and a deft operator crewing the console. Kirk had an acute shortage of both, really. His ship was in shambles, automation had failed, and if he left Scotty behind to operate the transporter, it'd be a death sentence. So I'd still support Kirk's choice in a court of inquiry.
Timo Saloniemi
Now, at the crucial second of the Klingon beam-in (but not at other times), Kirk could in theory have used his transporters to beam to Kruge's bridge. Or to beam Kruge out to space. Or to beam out the stopper in Kruge's antimatter barrel. But all of those require finesse, and a deft operator crewing the console. Kirk had an acute shortage of both, really. His ship was in shambles, automation had failed, and if he left Scotty behind to operate the transporter, it'd be a death sentence. So I'd still support Kirk's choice in a court of inquiry.
Timo Saloniemi
