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Klingon Battlecruiser Production Design

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What, in the real world, inspired the battlecruiser design? The cap-atop-ball shape that makes the "head" of the battlecruiser has always perplexed me. Obviously the original designer had no idea what the Klingons would become. The D-7/K'tinga are beautiful, elegant, ships, but I imagine anyone designing a ship for the Klingons we've come to know, would design their ships bulkier, meaner, maybe with Vor'cha pincers or something at the bow. So what was the thinking going into the original, and what were contemporary designs that might have inspired the artist? Was it supposed to suggest a visor of some kind, visors being future-y at the time?
 
The design with the head was because the back of the ship had very high radiation levels from the engines and the separated section in the front was an effort to separate the prime crew members from the dangerous conditions in the back of the ship.
 
As noted on Memory Alpha, Matt Jefferies modelled the D7 on a manta ray.

Bear in mind that it was designed to fit the Klingon Empire as it was portrayed in TOS itself, as opposed to how it would later be portrayed on-screen post-1979.


Over in the non-canon Star Fleet Universe - which takes the TOS-era Klingons in a different direction - the earliest warships of Klingon design and construction were based on a predatory marine reptile found in the oceans of the Klingon home world. (Prior to this, the SFU Klingons used old and obsolete ships of alien design, left behind by a precursor empire in which the Klingons themselves had once been a subject species.)

Most SFU Klingon ships can separate their booms in emergencies; as noted in another thread, this was occasionally done in response to a successful mutiny taking control of the secondary hull.
 
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Who were the Hur'q of the SFU? And what did their ships look like?

The manta ray thing is interesting. I'd wonder what more designs based on them or other sea animals might look like. I've heard the battlecruisers referred to as battle dragons as well...what about other space-dragon designs?

So then do you think that cap atop the head at the front of the ship is meant to echo the the horizontal manta-like body in the rear?

When you look at a battlecruiser, do you see cap and head (with weapons port as mouth, but no eyes), or do you not see a cap but a visor/eyes? Looking at the image of Kronos 1 again, I think I see a Mexican fellow. I see a big sombrero up top, I see "eyes" being in shadow where the hat and head connect, a mouth in the weapons port, and a mustache in that ring of lights just above the mouth. ...That, or a Breen/Princes Leia as bounty hunter.
 
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As it happens, one of the "deep space life forms" featured in the SFU is the Space Manta; it's featured on the cover (and in the cover story) of Captain's Log #40.

And there are Space Dragons as "living monsters" in the SFU; indeed, a reptilian species in the Omega Octant, the Branthodons, captured a Space Dragon hatchling and used it to clone their own Dragonships. (Each Dragonship has a series of organic and cybernetic "exoskeleton" hull segments grafted onto their back plates; while the brains of the Dragonships themselves are lobotomized so as to try and prevent them from "going wild".)


There is little info available about the "Old Kings"; even the name is a placeholder, since no-one knows what they called themselves. There is some speculation of them having had the stereotypical "grey alien" look. So far, none of their ships have been shown directly; by the time of the earliest Klingon ships currently in print for SFB (the "warp-refitted" upgrades to the D3 and F3), the Empire had long since shifted to the "manta ray" design layout.

By and large, the Old Kings seemingly treated the Klingons and other subject species reasonably well, albeit at something of a distance. (The Klingons introduced security stations onto their ships in response to the Vergarian revolt, but there may or may not have been similar stations watching their ancestors who served on Old King starships.) The Klingons were fortunate in that the Old King derelicts were left relatively close by for them to grasp a hold of; no-one is quite sure if this was intentional (to give the Klingons a head-start), or merely an unintended by-product of the Old Kings' sudden departure from known space.

Actually, the Old Kings' realm also covered much of what would become Federation space, but they seemingly chose not to contact (or recruit) any pre-warp species there. They did have a series of very limited contacts with Vulcan, via an outpost in the Zeta Reticuli system; in the "modern" SFU era, the planet which hosted this Old King outpost is under "research quarantine".

(There are three other sets of "Kings" - for lack of a better term - in the pre-history of the Alpha Octant. The "Leopard Kings" apparently seeded the ancestors of the Kzintis, Lyrans, Carnivons, and other related species onto their respective home planets. The "Lizard Kings" seemingly did something similar with the ancestors of the Gorns and Paravians. While the "Spirit Kings" uplifted the Hydran species into space, taking a much more "hands-on" approach relative to how the Old Kings dealt with the Klingons.)
 
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(with weapons port as mouth

That's funny, I always did think that the ship looked like it had a mouth and was saying "oh" like it was frightened.

Also, it was never established as a weapons port in TOS. The first time it did anything was in TMP when it spit torpedoes.

I think it originally served the same function as the dish on the front of the Enterprise but I don't have a source for that so you can ignore me accordingly.
 
I think it originally served the same function as the dish on the front of the Enterprise but I don't have a source for that so you can ignore me accordingly.

I'm sorry, did you say something? ;)

Here is an article about the geometry of the D7.
http://designbygeometry.blogspot.ca/2011/09/blog-post.html

And on the fun side, a re-post of a guy who put lasers into his D7.
http://laserpointerforums.com/f44/k...ee-lasers-running-lights-pic-heavy-92674.html


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:)Spockboy
 
The Space Mantas are too literally mantas for me. Look at the battlecruiser and notice how subtle the manta motif is. I still look at that aft section and think gestapo coat.

Although I kinda think death spewing from the mouth works for these Klingon ships, I do wish Trek would do a better job designing alien ships with some kind of deflector techs somewhere. Hell, put dual deflectors on the shoulders, if it's not going to be the mouth, but make your own tech rules work.

To change the subject 90 degrees, in looking for pics for this post I came across *these make-up concepts for Abrams' Trek '09. They're completely in another direction from TOS' less animalistic Klingons, but I'm rather mesmerized by a couple of the designs/elements.

I don't know much about the SFU, but I love interesting designs. Is there a good photo-heavy site with all the ships to view? Are there specific ones you like?

(*link fixed)
 
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I always accepted that part to be the deflector. When I saw torpedoes coming from there in TMP i literally thought WTF! :wtf:
 
As clearly intended by Matt Jefferies - you know, the guy who designed both the Enterprise and the Klingon D7 - neither is a "deflector dish". On the Enterprise, it's referred to as the main sensor, or navigational sensor. On the Klingon - main reconnaissance sensor.

The whole "deflector dish" thing came from TNG onward and was not part of the original show. Just as nothing says that the domes on the front of the nacelles are "Bussard Collectors" in the original show.
 
Matt Jefferies stuck a giant satellite dish on front of the ship (to say nothing of the original Flash Gordon needles on the domes, the oversized bridge, etc). It may or may not have been plenty futuristic for its day, but I don't necessarily hold him and original ideas to idolized levels, for chronological or nostalgic reasons. If they'd come up with the ideas of deflector dishes and Bussard collectors, more streamlined antennas, and the rest while he were putting the ship together way back when, he may have included them himself.

My main issue is that the rules they set up for themselves are followed or addressed in some way. It simply makes the illusion of our glorified, and glorious, soap commercials more real. And if they're constantly broken without a thought, then fans should feel no need to include them in their fan designs, or complain about them in future fan or canon designs. Hell, put the next cast on an Imperial Star Destroyer for all it matters otherwise.

I have no problem with holding parallel in my mind alternate versions of techs, and think it'd be great to try to fit parts of them into current ones, or showcase them in hat-tipping alternate universe episodes/novels.

All that said, does anyone know of any Klingon ships outside the FASA universe that ran with the original Klingon esthetic? I'd love to see what others have come up with in this style.
 
As clearly intended by Matt Jefferies - you know, the guy who designed both the Enterprise and the Klingon D7 - neither is a "deflector dish". On the Enterprise, it's referred to as the main sensor, or navigational sensor. On the Klingon - main reconnaissance sensor.

The whole "deflector dish" thing came from TNG onward and was not part of the original show.
Well, not quite. At some point early in TOS, it was determined that the dish antenna had a dual purpose. According to TMOST: "The starship's main sensor-deflector (a parabolic sensor antenna and asteroid-deflector) is located at the front end of the secondary hull."

"Asteroid-deflector"? Does a ship traveling through the interstellar void at hyperlight speeds really need to sweep stray asteroids out of its path?
 
In real life, flying through "empty space" at very high speeds would be bad for your health, because the cosmos has a few hydrogen atoms per cubic meter. So, if you fly through space fast enough, the H atoms would act a lot like radiation on your body (you hitting the particles instead of them hitting you). The deflector dish would protect against that.
 
And that is why the name got shortened to just "Deflector" rather than "Asteroid Deflector" fairly quickly. By TMP it was simply "The Deflector Dish" in ancillary materials.
 
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