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Kivas Fajo - Collector

Son_of_Soong

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He got imprisoned for kidnapping Data to add to his collection of one of a kind and rare things... but how long was he imprisoned for?

I always imagined him being released and stating his collection again. With Data destroyed, would he focus on the dismantled Lore or B4?
 
But the sentence for attempted genocide is only six months (Garak in "Broken Link").

Incidentally, so is the sentence for providing medicine for the Maquis (Kasidy Yates in "For the Cause") - and we have never heard of a sentence that would not be six months in length. It doesn't seem as if those are jail sentences as such. Rather, they just represent the practical means of forcing the criminals to undergo psychotherapy.

After all, all criminals in the 23rd century already were apparently considered mentally ill. Harry Mudd got psychotherapy for his original petty crimes, as evidenced by his rap sheet; he no doubt got a bit more for the tricks in "Mudd's Women". The facilities at Elba II were for the last few incurably insane criminals; by the 24th century, nobody need be incurable, and the worst mass murderers can be rehabilitated in a couple of months.

Granted that rehabilitation didn't work perfectly with Harry Mudd. But we haven't heard of Kasidy Yates engaging in seditionary acts lately, or of Garak pondering genocide. No doubt the treatments are specific to the crimes committed, and a murdered isn't preemptively rendered incapable of bank robbery...

Timo Saloniemi
 
Timo said:
and we have never heard of a sentence that would not be six months in length.

Wasn't there a death penalty mentioned in TOS? Was it for breaking General Order One? (My mind is foggy, sorry... :( )
 
I don't know, but if he did later get hold of B4, he would most certainly do perverted things with him.
 
WillsBabe said:
Timo said:
and we have never heard of a sentence that would not be six months in length.
Wasn't there a death penalty mentioned in TOS? Was it for breaking General Order One? (My mind is foggy, sorry... :( )
The death penalty was described in ``The Menagerie'' as the only capital punishment left on the books, and that was for going to Talos IV, which I believe was General Order Seven. In ``Turnabout Intruder'' when Lester-in-Kirk's-body orders death the underlings proclaim that General Order ... I want to say Four ... has not been broken, implying either a continuity error or some legal reform in the previous two years.
 
I'm sure the death penalty still exists or existed in Kirk's time. When the M-5 took control of Kirk's ship, Kirk is trying to get it to release the ship, Kirk asks the computer what the penalty to murder is, the computer answers, "Death". And promptly tries to kill itself.
 
Son_of_Soong said:
I always imagined him being released and stating his collection again. With Data destroyed, would he focus on the dismantled Lore or B4?

Where are they storing the dismantled Lore? I assume that Fajo would go after whichever was easiest to get his hands on. He would also consider the differences between the two. Lore is more advanced, but more devious and therefore more likely to try to break out. He also wouldn't hesistate to kill in order to escape. On the other hand, B4 would be less likely to try to escape, but he isn't as advanced. But Fajo might also be tempted to try to figure out a way to access some of Data's Starfleet secrets that B4 has downloaded into him.
 
Wasn't there a death penalty mentioned in TOS? Was it for breaking General Order One?

Like Nebusj said, it was for breaking GO7 (contacting Talos IV) originally, and for breaking GO4 (never explained) in the final episode. (But that doesn't change the fact that we never heard of a jail sentence that wasn't six months in length. :) )

One might say that breaking of GO7 was no longer considered a serious crime after Kirk and pals sorted it all out with the Talosians in "The Menagerie". Or, more probably, that Starfleet decided it was no longer worth the while to punish people for contacting Talos, because the Talosians were shown perfectly capable of also perverting the minds of those Federation citizens who didn't attempt contact with the planet (after all, Kirk saw a fake Mendez in his shuttlecraft, lightyears away from Talos).

Since the death penalty for GO7 had been set in the aftermath of Pike's adventure and thus was a fairly recent thing, I see no problem in assuming that another, similar incident later prompted the adoption of death penalty for GO4. Those things might come and go on a really short notice.

Even the numbering doesn't IMHO create a chronological disparity. GO7 might have been something as generic as "Don't break Class A planetary quarantine", with Talos IV the only planet remaining in such quarantine at the time. So GO7 would still stand, but the punishment would have been changed. In turn, GO4 might have been something like "Don't mouth off to beings more evolved than you", and Kirk's experiences with the Organians drove home the point that this was a more serious issue than previously thought. So Starfleet upped the punishment.

In general, no pun intended, I can't see "General Orders" as the sort of micromanaging that would tell Starfleet personnel whether to approach a particular planet or not. Certainly not single-digit General Orders. They'd have to be broader guidelines, yet with specific implications.

As for Fajo continuing his old hijinks, I do think that the future criminal treatment system works as intended. We do not hear of any repeat offenders. Mudd never pimped another woman again, or pretended to own a ship. Yates never smuggled for the Maquis again. Garak didn't contemplate another genocide. Paris didn't rejoin the Maquis. And Quark didn't smuggle kemacite or anything like that again (regardless of whether his "Little Green Men" arrest ever led to a sentence or not).

As for murder being punishable by death, nothing of the sort was suggested in "The Conscience of the King" where Lenore Karidian was guilty of multiple homicide. Instead, we hear this:

McCoy: "She'll receive the best of care, Jim. She remembers nothing."

Either forced amnesia is part of the cure/punishment for murderers, or then a bout of amnesia helped Lenore escape the future equivalent of the electric chair - or then the Federation will give Lenore the best of care to make her remember, then fry her for her crimes. But IMHO the implication here is that there is no death penalty for murder, either in civilian law or Starfleet regulations.

Speaking of the latter, neither Garth of Izar nor Ron Tracey seemed to be facing a death penalty for their acts of mass murder. If the insanity plea always works, and if murder always is insanity, then it doesn't much matter whether there's a death penalty in the books, now does it?

Timo Saloniemi
 
I would think that if he ever did get out of prison, trying to aquire another Soong brother would probably be the furthest thing from his mind. he didn't have the best experience the first time, and if one went missing, he'd be the first one investigated. Infact, with all his stuff forever gone, I think the very idea of collecting would probably be much less appealing to him in general.
 
I always thought this was a great missed opportunity for TNG-they should have found a way to bring Fajo back. Saul Rubinek was a last minute addition to this episode (the original actor who was supposed to play the part committed suicide, I believe), and he is a pretty busy actor, so maybe they could not get him back again. There was a lot they could have done with bringing him back to come after Data for revenge, or met him in another context after a jail break or even after his release and "rehabilitation."
 
Vic Sixx said:
Since he murdered his female assistant, I think it would likely be a life sentence.
For some reason, why does the criminal activities of collector (thief?) Kivas Fajo mirror closely to that of...O.J. Simpson? :wtf:
 
Trekwatcher said:
I always thought this was a great missed opportunity for TNG-they should have found a way to bring Fajo back. Saul Rubinek was a last minute addition to this episode (the original actor who was supposed to play the part committed suicide, I believe), and he is a pretty busy actor, so maybe they could not get him back again. There was a lot they could have done with bringing him back to come after Data for revenge, or met him in another context after a jail break or even after his release and "rehabilitation."
I think one could turn this idea into a decent follow-up to Nemesis:

Fajo escapes custody, learns of Data's death, abducts B-4, somehow acquires the "remains" of Lore (so we don't have to put up with the personality of that shithead B-4 any more), the combination of these two androids plus a couple key components of Data's found in the debris field of the Scimitar, Data's gravely latent personality tries to re-assert itself from behind Lore's (as Lore cuts a path of destruction towards the E-E), __________________ (fill in the rest).

Eh, I think it'd be a good idea.
 
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