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Kirk's jump in rank makes sense

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I've seen a lot of complaints about Kirk's jump in rank, and on the face of it, they're pretty justified. That isn't at all how rank would/should work most of the time, and its fairly obvious the motivation for it is that JJ Abrams:

a.) wanted to end with the original TOS crew in place and in charge of the enterprise

and

b.) Really, really liked the ending to Star Wars Episode IV.

However, I think it can be explained, at least partially, by a bunch of factors:

1. Kirk is to Pike as Wesley Crusher is to Picard, in that he is his clear favorite and because of that gets placed in somewhat unlikely and seemingly undeserved positions (remember, the REAL rank jump that makes no sense is for Kirk to be named first officer for no reason at all after he's not even supposed to be on the ship, and that is ALL Pike. For a First Officer to save the world and be named a captain makes sense--its just that Kirk never really should have been a first officer). Also, Pike's fascination with the heroism of Kirk's father would likely cause him to place extreme emphasis on Kirk's similar moment--he says as much when he explicitly references it when granting him his commission.

3. There are almost certainly a very large number of vacancies created by the loss of those ships and of Vulcan--meaning LOTS of people are gonna see their careers accelerated by necessity.

3. Kirk DID just save the world acting in the capacity of captain, and making the crucial decision to go right after the Nerada rather than sticking to protocol.

4. Kirk's good looks, youth and heroism make him a terrific pr/recruiting tool/symbol on earth, and in the wake of the tragedy of vulcan, I could also see significant popular support for the young hero who not only saved earth but in the process helped bring justice for the Vulcans (like if Chesley Sullenberger looked like Matt Damon and in the process of landing that plane had somehow killed Hitler)

5. Kirk would be a serious handful for any ordinary captain to reign in if serving in a lower capacity, especially now that he's gotten a taste of the captain's chair. From the very beginning he was constitutionally insubordinate to everyone but Pike, who is now an admiral. Someone like Picard could reign him in I'm sure, but lacking that, you're left with a brilliant and heroic young man who seems in many ways very well suited to be a captain, and extremely unsuited to be anything else.

Its still a bit of a stretch, but not too bad. Put it another way--JJ Abrams was interested in the storybook ending. Well, wouldn't Starfleet be too? If you were someone at Starfleet, wouldn't this story be essentially the exact story you'd want to tell to a Federation shocked, terrified and demoralized by the loss of Vulcan, and perhaps wondering for the first time if Starfleet can really protect them the way it claims? You'd want your most popular figures front and center in the public eye in the most prominent role possible, and right now nobody is more popular than Kirk. That alone might not be enough to make him a captain, but it might serve to keep arguing too fiercely with Pike when he starts pushing for Kirk to be made captain.

It'll be interesting to see how the rest of starfleet sees him though. I mean, I'm sure he's won the loyalty of the crew of the enterprise, but beyond that I bet there are a LOT of career officers who resent the hell out of this hotshot pretty boy admiral's favorite and would just love to kick his ass.
 
"Anybody here know how to unjam the @$#$$ photocopier?"

"I do!"

"Okay, Kirk, you're in charge of the Instant Printing Departmen!"
 
The notion of PR purposes informing the swift promotion is not entirely without merit (though it may not have been necessary to bring him all the way up to captain). People have certainly gotten undeserved/unusually swift promotions for PR purposes in a variety of institutions. I doubt the writers gave it that much thought ("subtle" was not on heavy display in this film), but it is an interesting idea.
 
I thought it would have been more interesting to not make the obvious move in ending the movie with Kirk in the captain's chair. That could have been a better development for the sequel... although I guess they wanted everything already in place at the start of XII.
 
It didn't bother me as much as others, obviously. He simply needed to end up Captain by the end of the movie, and they did an adequate job of making me believe it could happen with all of the exceptional circumstances that were mentioned above. On the other hand, they could have waved a magic "5 years later" between Kirk graduating from the academy and the distress call from Vulcan which would have made it tad more believable. Meh...
 
Well. The Enterprise seemed to be full of new cadets, except Spock, who was logically in command for much of STXI. Remove Pike, emotionally compromise Spock, and it logically fell to Kirk, who was assigned as XO by Pike.
We also have Kirk's "off the charts" aptitute tests, and so on.

In might not make sense from a strictly military perspective, but it does make perfect sense from a Horatio Hornblower point of view. Still a stretch, but it's not the first (or last) time Kirk's rank does some gymnastics.
 
Well. The Enterprise seemed to be full of new cadets, except Spock, who was logically in command for much of STXI. Remove Pike, emotionally compromise Spock, and it logically fell to Kirk, who was assigned as XO by Pike.
We also have Kirk's "off the charts" aptitute tests, and so on.

In might not make sense from a strictly military perspective, but it does make perfect sense from a Horatio Hornblower point of view. Still a stretch, but it's not the first (or last) time Kirk's rank does some gymnastics.

It still just doesn't "feel right" that this Enterprise is staffed by a bunch of youg'uns.

It reeks too much of "wanting a new cast to draw in young audiances. So we're going to strain logic and credibility by staffing a figurehead spaceship full of young adults. Becuase young people these days don't want to watch stories about adults. Adults are stuffy and boring."

Would it have been *really* that bad to flash forward a few years and have these characters be a few years older -closer to the ages they are in TOS- but just have them... "look young" for the sake of attractive actors? That way we can have our cake (an "older", "experienced" crew) and eat it (a young cast) too.
 
a.) wanted to end with the original TOS crew in place and in charge of the enterprise

End the movie with a four-year time-jump to Kirk relieving Pike of command.

Problem solved.

Then you'd have people here complaining that:

'Kirk hasn't aged one bit in 4 years! FAIL!', or 'It's been 4 years and howcum the bridge still looks the same?? FAIL!', or ' Why would the same crew be together after 4 years-wouldn't they be reassigned? FAIL!', or ' Howcum they haven't invented lens that don't flare in 4 years??FAIL!', or 'Kirk's make up makes him look too old - it's only been 4 years! FAIL!'

And IF they'd ended it with Kirk NOT in the Captain's chair, we'd most likely have heard:

" I can't believe they didn't have Kirk as Captain at the end!! Those bloodsuckers at Paramount just want us to shell out more money and see the NEXT movie! Bastards! FAIL!'
 
No, it would've been that bad, but I can also see why they would've done it this way. More narrative continuity.
 
a.) wanted to end with the original TOS crew in place and in charge of the enterprise

End the movie with a four-year time-jump to Kirk relieving Pike of command.

Problem solved.

Then you'd have people here complaining that:

'Kirk hasn't aged one bit in 4 years! FAIL!', or 'It's been 4 years and howcum the bridge still looks the same?? FAIL!', or ' Why would the same crew be together after 4 years-wouldn't they be reassigned? FAIL!', or ' Howcum they haven't invented lens that don't flare in 4 years??FAIL!', or 'Kirk's make up makes him look too old - it's only been 4 years! FAIL!'
Yeah, probably not. The reason why you're seeing people complain about this is because it makes no sense
 
Other factors to consider. Starfleet just lost seven captains along with seven ships. They're apparently heavily engaged in another system and they've just lost their second most important world. Kirk came through in a big way and Starfleet needs more captains like him.
 
End the movie with a four-year time-jump to Kirk relieving Pike of command.

Problem solved.

Then you'd have people here complaining that:

'Kirk hasn't aged one bit in 4 years! FAIL!', or 'It's been 4 years and howcum the bridge still looks the same?? FAIL!', or ' Why would the same crew be together after 4 years-wouldn't they be reassigned? FAIL!', or ' Howcum they haven't invented lens that don't flare in 4 years??FAIL!', or 'Kirk's make up makes him look too old - it's only been 4 years! FAIL!'
Yeah, probably not. The reason why you're seeing people complain about this is because it makes no sense

Well, it's too bad we'll never be able to set it up to prove the point one way or another. But if we could, I'd be willing to take that bet.

This much is clear from reading many of the selectively harsh or forgiving posts here - what constitutes 'sense' is very much in the eye of the beholder. Do you honestly think Abrams and co, when writing came to this section and just threw up their arms and said, ' Sure, it doesn't make sense, but EAT IT Star Trek fans! Bwahahaaaaaaa!!'

It prolly made some sort of sense to them.
 
5. Kirk would be a serious handful for any ordinary captain to reign in if serving in a lower capacity, especially now that he's gotten a taste of the captain's chair. From the very beginning he was constitutionally insubordinate to everyone but Pike
This point would actually be a good argument for not giving him very much responsibility.

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Seems consistent with how red squad was treated. We have real Lt. Sulu, real Ensign Chekov and real Commander Spock. Pike, in time of war, gave Kirk a field commision as a Commander and makes Spock captain of the ship. Once spock resigned, his temporary Captaincy transferred. Kirk proceeded to save earth, save the captain and get Spock back to productive service.

At this point, the decision becomes whether to honor Pike's field promotions or to send the kids back to school. I saw 10000-15000 officers and crew die over vulcan. I saw a fleet that can build ships faster than it can get recruits (from both Kirk's joke and the fact that the ENTIRE academy was put on duty).

Kirk is a captain by rank but he still answers to Pike... who serves as a father figure (and probably the most effective military leader seen in Trek) on the Enterprise.

I think a key question is: what does relief mean. I take it to mean like a first officer serving in their absence but expecting their return and still following their orders. If that's the case, then it makes sense as it allows Pike to have the ship run closest to his desired will.

If its to replace permanently... its a stretch. After a field commision to First Officer and later Captain and saving the world... you should be in the command structure of a ship as captain or first officer.
 
Then you'd have people here complaining that:

'Kirk hasn't aged one bit in 4 years! FAIL!', or 'It's been 4 years and howcum the bridge still looks the same?? FAIL!', or ' Why would the same crew be together after 4 years-wouldn't they be reassigned? FAIL!', or ' Howcum they haven't invented lens that don't flare in 4 years??FAIL!', or 'Kirk's make up makes him look too old - it's only been 4 years! FAIL!'
Yeah, probably not. The reason why you're seeing people complain about this is because it makes no sense

Well, it's too bad we'll never be able to set it up to prove the point one way or another. But if we could, I'd be willing to take that bet.

This much is clear from reading many of the selectively harsh or forgiving posts here - what constitutes 'sense' is very much in the eye of the beholder. Do you honestly think Abrams and co, when writing came to this section and just threw up their arms and said, ' Sure, it doesn't make sense, but EAT IT Star Trek fans! Bwahahaaaaaaa!!'

It prolly made some sort of sense to them.
I hardly think it was anything so malicious lol. I do think though that they wanted to end the film with Kirk in command. Fine, thats all well and good. I also think that they really couldn't find a decent way of doing it so they were like "fuck it, he did really awesome stopping the evil romulan so that will be justification enough". I dont know if thats really what they were thinking, but it seems that way to me and its pretty lazy on their part. There were better, more logical ways of handling it but they took the quick and easy way out.
 
Seems consistent with how red squad was treated. We have real Lt. Sulu, real Ensign Chekov and real Commander Spock. Pike, in time of war, gave Kirk a field commision as a Commander and makes Spock captain of the ship. Once spock resigned, his temporary Captaincy transferred. Kirk proceeded to save earth, save the captain and get Spock back to productive service.
If there is one aspect of the Trek time line that i hope got erased, it is that horrible horrible Red Squad crap :lol:
 
It prolly made some sort of sense to them.

It wasn't done to "make sense" in the context of an adult universe that's been built over the last 40 years.

It was done to have a "young cast" to appeal to young future audiances for the next few years.

No matter how little sense it makes.

It was down-right Starship Troopers-ian.
 
I seriosly LMAO, it makes NO SENSE! the thing is they really had no choice did they? He had to be captain for the inevitable follow up,

put it down to plot drive!
 
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