Kirk vs Picard

[Metryq]

I saw the poster frame for a YouTube video titled "Kirk vs Picard," and it suddenly occurred to me that the TNG production team treated Patrick Stewart much better than TOS treated William Shatner. I mean, is there any TNG episode where a shot of Picard is flipped, disturbingly putting the part in his hair on the wrong side?

 

[Ssosmcin]

Well, we'd never notice if they did.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

I saw the poster frame for a YouTube video titled "Kirk vs Picard," and it suddenly occurred to me that the TNG production team treated Patrick Stewart much better than TOS treated William Shatner. I mean, is there any TNG episode where a shot of Picard is flipped, disturbingly putting the part in his hair on the wrong side?

You have to admit, there isn't one.

 

[MolNow]

I saw the poster frame for a YouTube video titled "Kirk vs Picard," and it suddenly occurred to me that the TNG production team treated Patrick Stewart much better than TOS treated William Shatner. I mean, is there any TNG episode where a shot of Picard is flipped, disturbingly putting the part in his hair on the wrong side?

I see this all the time in social media, there has been an in going debate about how is the best Star fleet captain. Pick your favorite, I’m not really sure who the majority is right now. Sometimes it’s all of them but it’s mostly Kirk and Picard.

 

[Uhura's Song]

Kirk and Picard are my two faves. And it is not even close.

Nothing against Sisko, Janeway, Archer, Georgiou, Saru, Burnham, Rios, Riker, Dal, Chakotay, or Gwyn.

Pike takes the bronze.

 

[Shawnster]

I saw the poster frame for a YouTube video titled "Kirk vs Picard," and it suddenly occurred to me that the TNG production team treated Patrick Stewart much better than TOS treated William Shatner. I mean, is there any TNG episode where a shot of Picard is flipped, disturbingly putting the part in his hair on the wrong side?

Why are you concluding this is a respect/lack of respect treatment of the lead actors and not simply an aspect of production values of the 60s vs 80s?

 

[Metryq]

Why are you concluding this is a respect/lack of respect treatment of the lead actors and not simply an aspect of production values of the 60s vs 80s?

Really? Did you not see the joke, or is this your own bland form of humor?

 

[ZapBrannigan]

Really? Did you not see the joke, or is this your own bland form of humor?

I think Shawnster must have read it too fast, or not pictured Picard in his mind.

 

[Riley]

I was eleven when TNG premiered. I loved Kirk and the TOS crew and wasn't sure how much I'd enjoy TNG.

I gave it a chance and came to like most of the characters. The Picard of the first two seasons was far more interesting to me than the later Picard. I liked that he had more of an edge than the Picard of later seasons, who was, of course, more influenced by Patrick Stewart's whims than character development.

In the end, I will always find James Tiberius Kirk far preferable to Picard. He's a rich character who is nothing like the non-Trek fan stereotype. He is, in my humble opinion, the greatest science fiction hero of the 20th century. The only other captain I respect other than Kirk is Sisko, who I also find much more interesting than Picard could ever be.

 

[PCz911]

The world needs:
- a “joke” font
- a “sarcastic” font

So we all can understand in writing what we normally pick up in the verbal language.

 

[fireproof78]

The world needs:
- a “joke” font
- a “sarcastic” font

So we all can understand in writing what we normally pick up in the verbal language.

Take your pick. There have been several mark proposed.

Snark mark.

Sarc Mark.

Irony punctuation.

 

[Phaser Two]

I'm a great admirer of Sir Patrick and quite enjoyed the Picard character, but for me it's JTK and not even close. And my second favorite Starfleet captain is Kathryn Janeway - IMO at least she was clearly modeled on Kirk, sporting the Horatio Hornblower elements and a complete badass who was also skilled in diplomacy.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

In two different episodes, "Arena" and "Darmok," Kirk and Picard are each stuck on a remote planet with the Captain of an alien ship. Kirk defeats the Gorn by building a makeshift cannon out of the elements native to the planet. Picard nearly freezes to death when he's unable to build a simple campfire.

Really, "Kirk vs. Picard" should've ceased to be a thing as soon as that TNG episode aired.

 

[Phaser Two]

In two different episodes, "Arena" and "Darmok," Kirk and Picard are each stuck on a remote planet with the Captain of an alien ship. Kirk defeats the Gorn by building a makeshift cannon out of the elements native to the planet. Picard nearly freezes to death when he's unable to build a simple campfire.

Really, "Kirk vs. Picard" should've ceased to be a thing as soon as that TNG episode aired.

They did do Picard-as-action-hero in "Starship Mine," which is one of my favorite TNG eps, and of course on the big screen in "First Contact." I was impressed by how well Stewart pulled it off.

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

In two different episodes, "Arena" and "Darmok," Kirk and Picard are each stuck on a remote planet with the Captain of an alien ship. Kirk defeats the Gorn by building a makeshift cannon out of the elements native to the planet. Picard nearly freezes to death when he's unable to build a simple campfire.

Really, "Kirk vs. Picard" should've ceased to be a thing as soon as that TNG episode aired.

Perhaps. But there is a clear difference in overall body-count casualties between them.....at least for their TV adventures as opposed to their respective films.Picard's crew is proportionally safer.

 

[Shawnster]

Really? Did you not see the joke, or is this your own bland form of humor?

Every group needs a straight man.

Seriously, I did not get the joke until now. Woosh right over my asymmetrical head.

 

[Frontis]

If the question is, Kirk or Picard...i have to vote for Kirk.
It doesn't mean that he is necessarily the better captain but he is more emotional and human imo.

 

[Qonundrum]

I saw the poster frame for a YouTube video titled "Kirk vs Picard," and it suddenly occurred to me that the TNG production team treated Patrick Stewart much better than TOS treated William Shatner. I mean, is there any TNG episode where a shot of Picard is flipped, disturbingly putting the part in his hair on the wrong side?

There was, if absosmurfly nothing else, a season 4 teaser that used a flipped image if Picard. "First Contact",

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the fun moment is at 00:24 in. Possibly because Mirasta had the same position/screen angle and Picard being in the same spot wouldn't be as noticeable or dramatic or reactionary for theatrical effect - if not for stylistic choice, rather than "We're saving on film negs because it cost so much more in 1966." where TOS had to do it because most shows didn't cost anywhere near as much as TOS had and couldn't do the number of retakes or pre-shoot setups to get every desired camera angle. Technically speaking, of course, but it was a novel way -- if not done too often, based on all the bridge shots where Sulu and/or Chekov should be there but instead it's clearly a completely different person...

 

[Qonundrum]

Why are you concluding this is a respect/lack of respect treatment of the lead actors and not simply an aspect of production values of the 60s vs 80s?

Really? Did you not see the joke, or is this your own bland form of humor?

I think Shawnster must have read it too fast, or not pictured Picard in his mind.

(Yes, I really had made my response before reading others' responses to it.)

I'd read it too fast as well or not recognizing the humor in the original post (humor can be subjective). The post came across to me first as a query about technical filming methodology across the decades rather than any humorous intent or a dig at respect or lack thereof toward actors? I'd read the first sentence, then the question, which I remembered one scene where it was done that way (albeit for teaser), then read the middle after the rest of the thread. I just can't fathom how Stewart was treated any better because of how television was made in the 1960s, using methods like repeating reaction shots to help save on costs. Other shows of the time did that as well, because color film was so expensive - especially for TV shows where 26~30 hour-long episodes per season were not uncommon.

In two different episodes, "Arena" and "Darmok," Kirk and Picard are each stuck on a remote planet with the Captain of an alien ship. Kirk defeats the Gorn by building a makeshift cannon out of the elements native to the planet. Picard nearly freezes to death when he's unable to build a simple campfire.

Really, "Kirk vs. Picard" should've ceased to be a thing as soon as that TNG episode aired.

"Arena" was trendsetting in a way, even if it also took from a short story from the 1940s. It's "innovation" as some people on youtube merrily lambaste a certain Blake's 7 and saying "Star Trek did it first" in delicious ignorance and while ignoring several unique properties that B7 brought to the trope that DID expand on it in interesting ways-- sheesh, they'd have their heads go all "Scanners" on them if they noticed how often (for example) an identical trope was used in numerous tv shows of the time. For example of that, when "Lost in Space", "Get Smart", "Gilligan's Island", and several others, all use the trope where there's a person who hunts humans for sport and the show's lead character has to save themselves (another story that came about long before tv shows all used it as plot fodder), sometimes with zero innovation...

(On edit: Minor spelling, grammatical boo-boos. There mioght be more...)