number6
Vice Admiral
What sex was in this film???
That's right: None.
HSM is aimed at children.
Star Trek is not and never was. Nor should it be.
Kirk & the Orion cadet- was it appropriate? Indecent? Cool?
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What sex was in this film???
That's right: None.
HSM is aimed at children.
Star Trek is not and never was. Nor should it be.
Don't get wrong. Nothing is wrong with Disney stuff. I love LITTLE MERMAID and BEAUTY AND THE BEAST and the rest, and have ridden the Haunted Mansion ride at Disneyland more times than I want to admit. But I like ALIENS and THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS and more adult material, too.
There's kid stuff and adult stuff, and PG-13 stuff like STAR TREK. Disney is perfectly good, but everything doesn't need to be squeaky-clean.
Plus, I would argue that sex has always been part of TREK. Do you remember some of those costumes from TOS? Heck, they did an entire episode about Spock's mating drive . . .
No way! Those short skirts in TOS were just to keep the actresses from sweating visibly under the big hot lights!
I've heard talk of how we didn't need to subject younger Trek fans to Kirk's amourous proclivities in such a graphic manner, but I personally feel that the kissy-lovey stuff is less damaging to small humans than PG-13 violence, especially with underwear STILL ON!!
I approved, did you?
Graphic?
Did I miss something?
Is there another print going around?
Lightinspire
Lieutenant Commander
Squeaky clean? Very, Very few shows are squeaky clean these days. Why can't Star Trek be different, something for the entire family? Why does it have to fall into the same ole, same ole mode as about every other show. Just like you have bowling alley's that serve alcohol and some that are made for the entire family where there is no disgusting rap music or alcohol. The "squeaky clean" ones are flourishing because they are for the entire family, why can't Star Trek be that way...I didn't agree with the short skirts or the other episodes of all the other series' where there were sexual innuendo's. My message to Paramount is, you are on a good roll, make it for the entire family and you will sell more tickets, don't restrict it.
Lightinspire
Lieutenant Commander
But that is ok, we are all different and we can maturely agree to disagree on this topic, at least I can.
Both of which would have been improved by some hot hardcore action--post-transformation in the first instance, pre- in the second.
Yeah, so much for mature...
Lightinspire
Lieutenant Commander
If all that was in there it would have had a rating restriction to a certain age group, limiting their exposure.
Kirk and Orion seemed natural. Uhura stripping seemed more gratuitous. I KNOW it's her bedroom, ok -- it just seemed like something that was bound to get into the trailer and titilate adolescent males. "Dude, this movie rocks!!" It seemed kind of cheap is all. Apologies if this has already been written, but I'm not reading five pages of posts.
So you're asking that Paramount change Trek to be squeaky-clean, since it has always had stuff you don't approve of. Or have I misunderstood you?
number6
Vice Admiral
You're asking for Star Trek to be what it isn't.
If you have such a problem with sexuality in Trek, then where does the line get drawn with subjects such as religion, science, creation of the universe, politics, war and all the other subject matters Trek has covered in the last 40 years?? None of those subject matters are squeaky clean or "family friendly," and in fact Trek's portrayal of such matters have often been provocative. What you suggest would immasculate such potential and would beg the question of what exactly are you a fan of and what do you think Star Trek has been doing for the last 40 years. What you suggest isn't what Star Trek has been about these last 40+ years. It has always been an adult show.
I don't think we should bash Lightningspire, who seems to be trying hard to keep the discussion civil. But, yeah, there was nothing in the new movie that didn't fit with the STAR TREK I grew up with. I mean, where do we think David Marcus came from if Kirk wasn't fooling around in his younger days? And let's not forget Spock and Mariette Hartley in the ice cave . . . . 
And, honestly, it's not like STAR TREK suddenly turned into SHOWGIRLS. The hanky-panky in the new movie was tame compared to any 60's era James Bond movie or Peter Sellers comedy. I watched those movies when I was a kid and I don't remember being scarred for life.
Heck, compared to LOGAN'S RUN or PLANET OF THE APES, it is a Disney movie!
And, honestly, it's not like STAR TREK suddenly turned into SHOWGIRLS. The hanky-panky in the new movie was tame compared to any 60's era James Bond movie or Peter Sellers comedy. I watched those movies when I was a kid and I don't remember being scarred for life.
Heck, compared to LOGAN'S RUN or PLANET OF THE APES, it is a Disney movie!
I have to say...when I watched the original series back in the 60's...it was handled with Captain Kirk...putting his boots back on. Although most teenagers and all adults knew what that was about...it wasn't plastered in the little children's faces like they do now a days.
No biggie...JMHO
No biggie...JMHO
I have to say...when I watched the original series back in the 60's...it was handled with Captain Kirk...putting his boots back on. Although most teenagers and all adults knew what that was about...it wasn't plastered in the little children's faces like they do now a days.
No biggie...JMHO
No biggie...JMHO
Lightinspire
Lieutenant Commander
Sure, it was hinted at in the past but it wasn't flagrantly slapped in our faces right on the screen. Hinting to what happened is one thing but showing it right up front on the big screen is something else. Sure the other stuff about religion, creation, etc. were dealt with and not in a good way sometimes I admit but sexual immorality is in our faces on about every show and movie. It can be hinted or referred but not put on the big screen in the act. That is my only point to the discussion, it just doesn't have to be shown.
{my inner 10 year old} What was slapped in our faces? I wrestled & wet willied my friends at sleepovers in my underwear & jammies! It's fun! Okay, it would be a little EWWUE with girls, but this is science fiction!
{/my inner 10 year old}
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Whoa there. When did we get into "immorality"? I saw two college kids fooling around in a dorm room. What's so unusual--or immoral--about that?
And don't tell me that's not going to happen in the 23rd century!
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I dunno, you never can tell with that guy...
I think you need to go back to when you were a 10-year-old. I can fully say I had seen a lot worse things than this by that point.
Need I remind you of the fact that there wasn't a 10-year-old (or less) in the developed world who hadn't seen Titanic in 1997? Kids, tweens and teens were flocking to that PG-13 film (how do you think it pulled in the money it did?). I still remember in my 5th grade class we were discussing our own movie-of-the-year type thing and there was an issue with the fact that it was PG-13 despite everyone in the class having seen it (probably 4 times + in the theater just like me).
A similar thing came up with watching Jurassic Park at the end of 7th grade summer school (so you didn't have to take Science in 8th grade) because it was PG-13 and there were still a few 12-year-olds in the class. We totally bent the rules because there wasn't a single kid in the class who hadn't seen it (and probably all had seen it a zillion times as kids).
I think you have a warped view of what most kids are allowed to see. Star Trek's underwear scene doesn't even hit the worry meter.
Need I remind you of the fact that there wasn't a 10-year-old (or less) in the developed world who hadn't seen Titanic in 1997? Kids, tweens and teens were flocking to that PG-13 film (how do you think it pulled in the money it did?). I still remember in my 5th grade class we were discussing our own movie-of-the-year type thing and there was an issue with the fact that it was PG-13 despite everyone in the class having seen it (probably 4 times + in the theater just like me).
A similar thing came up with watching Jurassic Park at the end of 7th grade summer school (so you didn't have to take Science in 8th grade) because it was PG-13 and there were still a few 12-year-olds in the class. We totally bent the rules because there wasn't a single kid in the class who hadn't seen it (and probably all had seen it a zillion times as kids).
I think you have a warped view of what most kids are allowed to see. Star Trek's underwear scene doesn't even hit the worry meter.