Kirk & the Orion cadet- was it appropriate? Indecent? Cool?

[trampledamage]

Y'know, I read in an interview with the screenwriters about the Riverside Shipyards being named for George Kirk. (And yes, I've read the novelization too.) I think it may have been Orci that made the statement.

Just sayin'.

Nothing in the movie suggests to me that James T Kirk would rtade on his father's name.

But that doesn't make sense - if it's called Riverside Shipyards, it obviously hasn't been named after George Kirk. I'm not seeing connection.

I could see that maybe Starfleet picked Iowa for the shipyards in part because of Kirk's sacrifice, but there's no connection given in the name.

Or am I missing something?

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

The Kelvin was originally the USS Iowa in some early draft of the film, judging by the labels on concept sketches and stuff.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

Y'know, I read in an interview with the screenwriters about the Riverside Shipyards being named for George Kirk. (And yes, I've read the novelization too.) I think it may have been Orci that made the statement.

Just sayin'.

Nothing in the movie suggests to me that James T Kirk would rtade on his father's name.

Thanks, dude, I was beginning to think I imagined it.

 

[M'Sharak]

Y'know, I read in an interview with the screenwriters about the Riverside Shipyards being named for George Kirk. (And yes, I've read the novelization too.) I think it may have been Orci that made the statement.

Just sayin'.

Nothing in the movie suggests to me that James T Kirk would rtade on his father's name.

Thanks, dude, I was beginning to think I imagined it.

See Comment #16 here, in which Bob Orci responds to a question asked in one of the earlier comments:

boborci - May 9, 2009

5. 750 Mang – May 9, 2009

Shortly after the heroic death of George Kirk, the Iowa shipyards were erected by Starfleet to honor and commemorate the sacrifice. Hence, the Kelvin salt shaker in the diner, etc…

 

[Captain Fine]

In the next movie, I'd love a scene of Captain Kirk just working out at the gym (on the Enterprise of course). Mmmm. All sweaty and stuff. For no reason whatsoever. But then he gets called to the bridge.

Actually, come to think of it, having him play beach volleyball could work too.

 

[Chrisisall]

In the next movie, I'd love a scene of Captain Kirk just working out at the gym (on the Enterprise of course). Mmmm. All sweaty and stuff.

With a female crewman. I'm right there with ya.

 

[Jeri]

In Charlie X, Kirk worked out on the mat in the gym, wearing just red tights.

 

[Chrisisall]

In Charlie X, Kirk worked out on the mat in the gym, wearing just red tights.

And they were... tight tights.
Not that I LOOK for that sort of thing... but... they WERE tight.

 

[Jeri]

The gym scene starts on Page 8 at Trek Core

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=23&page=8

 

[Chrisisall]

The gym scene starts on Page 8 at Trek Core

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=23&page=8

PG Kirk porn is fine & all, but forgive me if my proclivities tend to point me more towards Uhura in "Mirror Mirror."

 

[Jiraiya]

This thread seems to be moving towards the "R" rating, and that was not my intention.
Moderators, is this kind of talk okay?
I mean, it is with ME, but carnal knowledge details might be... a thing of regulated ... er, propriety, or some such...

Greenisgoodisall

Loved seeing Kirk making it with a green skin. Alternate U or no, he is James T. Kirk.

The scene wasn't that bad given they were still clothed (barely) and the film is rated PG-13.

BTW, If you think that this thread is racy go check out the SPOCK SHOULD BE CONSTANTLY SHOUTING!! thread where the subject of forked penises comes up. Good stuff.

 

[JuanBolio]

I am kind of borderline on this one. It certainly wasnt over the top by any means..., and kids see worse on television and in commercials all the time....but if i had a younger child with me i probably wouldnt have appreciated it.

Im thankful it wasnt anything like the crap they pulled in Enterprise.

I remember being very uncomfortable with the bathtub scene in Insurrection and the violation scene in Nemesis as i had my son with me and he was young at that time.

As a parent with a child with you it makes you see scenes like these in a completely different light.

I suppose it depends on whether or not you feel your children should be shielded from the biological facts of life or not. I, for one, do not.

 

[Maxum]

Y'know, I read in an interview with the screenwriters about the Riverside Shipyards being named for George Kirk. (And yes, I've read the novelization too.) I think it may have been Orci that made the statement.

Just sayin'.

Nothing in the movie suggests to me that James T Kirk would rtade on his father's name.

Thanks, dude, I was beginning to think I imagined it.

See Comment #16 here, in which Bob Orci responds to a question asked in one of the earlier comments:

boborci - May 9, 2009

5. 750 Mang – May 9, 2009

Shortly after the heroic death of George Kirk, the Iowa shipyards were erected by Starfleet to honor and commemorate the sacrifice. Hence, the Kelvin salt shaker in the diner, etc…

Thanks for the information. However, it doesn't change anything. Namely because the general audience doesn't know this fact. Orci never put this fact in the movie or the book, so unless anyone happened to read that interview and scrolled down to #16, that little nugget is completely unknown to the audience. The point of the discussion was the idea of Kirk, Jr. trading on the fame and legend of his father and using it in some capacity to benefit himself. I don't ever see that happening.

 

[Lightinspire]

Indecent...seeing young Kirk in his underwear did nothing for the story. It could have been as simple as getting caught kissing the Orion woman. Star Trek needs to be for the entire family, not a select few who can view a select rating.

 

[M'Sharak]

^ Oh, good grief. Just how "select" would you say a PG-13 rating makes the movie (and that more for acts of violence and a little strong language than for the scene between Kirk and Gaila, which is mild even by PG-13 standards)?

<snip>

Thanks for the information. However, it doesn't change anything. Namely because the general audience doesn't know this fact. Orci never put this fact in the movie or the book, so unless anyone happened to read that interview and scrolled down to #16, that little nugget is completely unknown to the audience. The point of the discussion was the idea of Kirk, Jr. trading on the fame and legend of his father and using it in some capacity to benefit himself. I don't ever see that happening.

No, I realize that it makes no difference for the audience. I'm just a hopeless chaser-down of trivial details.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

Thanks, dude, I was beginning to think I imagined it.

See Comment #16 here, in which Bob Orci responds to a question asked in one of the earlier comments:

boborci - May 9, 2009

5. 750 Mang – May 9, 2009

Shortly after the heroic death of George Kirk, the Iowa shipyards were erected by Starfleet to honor and commemorate the sacrifice. Hence, the Kelvin salt shaker in the diner, etc…

Thanks for the information. However, it doesn't change anything. Namely because the general audience doesn't know this fact. Orci never put this fact in the movie or the book, so unless anyone happened to read that interview and scrolled down to #16, that little nugget is completely unknown to the audience. The point of the discussion was the idea of Kirk, Jr. trading on the fame and legend of his father and using it in some capacity to benefit himself. I don't ever see that happening.

Fair enough--it's just a theory I like to spitball. Personally, I'm more interested in what the writer and director feel is the backstory rather than a novelization (I never read them--not since TSFS) but YMMV.

 

[Yeoman Randi]

^ Oh, good grief. Just how "select" would you say a PG-13 rating makes the movie (and that more for acts of violence and a little strong language than for the scene between Kirk and Gaila, which is mild even by PG-13 standards)?

Really, that wasnt bad compared to what little kids see on television. Truth is, what i objected to was the "Sex with farm animals" line.

i cannot imagine how i would have explained that one to my child if she/he were with me and 6 years old.

Personally, i wont be happy until i see Chris Pine naked.

on my front porch.

 

[SonicRanger]

^ Oh, good grief. Just how "select" would you say a PG-13 rating makes the movie (and that more for acts of violence and a little strong language than for the scene between Kirk and Gaila, which is mild even by PG-13 standards)?

Really, that wasnt bad compared to what little kids see on television. Truth is, what i objected to was the "Sex with farm animals" line.

i cannot imagine how i would have explained that one to my child if she/he were with me and 6 years old...

Again, you'd be the one taking your 6-year-old kid to a PG-13 film. If you don't like explaining such things, then don't take the kid to anything but G films. You seem to think that any film below a R rating should be sterile enough from sexuality and language that you can take a first-grader. Gee, maybe if the film is rating PG-13 you should leave the kid home until they are older... and your fellow moviegoers will thank you too.

 

[Yeoman Randi]

^ Oh, good grief. Just how "select" would you say a PG-13 rating makes the movie (and that more for acts of violence and a little strong language than for the scene between Kirk and Gaila, which is mild even by PG-13 standards)?

Really, that wasnt bad compared to what little kids see on television. Truth is, what i objected to was the "Sex with farm animals" line.

i cannot imagine how i would have explained that one to my child if she/he were with me and 6 years old...

Again, you'd be the one taking your 6-year-old kid to a PG-13 film. If you don't like explaining such things, then don't take the kid to anything but G films. You seem to think that any film below a R rating should be sterile enough from sexuality and language that you can take a first-grader. Gee, maybe if the film is rating PG-13 you should leave the kid home until they are older... and your fellow moviegoers will thank you too.

Um, can you please sit down for a minute?

First off, i would have expected a PG13 rating due to the sci fi 'violence'. Not because people are talking about having sex with farm animals.

Secondly, I do not HAVE a six year old. My kids are 25 and 15. But as someone who brought my kids to Star Trek movies just like any other Trekker parent would like to, i would be uncomfortable with a line such as that one, if i had my 6 yr old kid with me.

And, you should know, when MY kids were 6, they behaved themselves like much older children when we were at the movies or anywhere else. I tend to think they were more well behaved and respectful of the people around them than you are being right now. Please do not presume to know me or my children.

Such big words from such a small small mind.

Geez, i thought this was a place for open discussion and not a place where you get attacked for your thoughts and opinions.

 

[number6]

The film is rated PG-13. You should be uncomfortable bringing kids to this.

Finding the line about farm animals offensive and being offended by the very tame scene with Kirk and Gaila is a bit hypersensitive.