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"If you watch these five videos about why the shows you like actually SUCK, you'll realize how you've been wrong all this time and change all of your opinions!"

...Or you could just go on living your life and enjoying the things you enjoy. That works too. :)
 
"If you watch these five videos about why the shows you like actually SUCK, you'll realize how you've been wrong all this time and change all of your opinions!"
Well, I had things to do today, but... OK.

...Or you could just go on living your life and enjoying the things you enjoy. That works too. :)
Oh! Good! That fits in with my plans better. :D
 
"If you watch these five videos about why the shows you like actually SUCK, you'll realize how you've been wrong all this time and change all of your opinions!"
Hearing someone else articulate their opinions well can be interesting. It’s a side bonus if they happen to generally parallel your own overall perspective you already had. And I didn’t see any references to things I liked that sucked.

I know the shortcomings or missteps of the things I like, but as long as they get more right than wrong it’s fine. If something can do barely anything right and/or you find yourself repeatedly disappointed and dissatisfied then you know something is wrong.

I already knew long before I saw those videos, contemporary Trek (and other stuff) was well below grade for years and for many of the reasons cited in those videos. That said there is still new materiel that occasionally comes along I find good and quite worthwhile. But contemporary Trek and a lot of SF sure as hell aren’t among them. The Expanse is the last SF I thought good and certainly far better than contemporary Trek. I’m also curious to see the forthcoming Babylon 5 animated production.
 
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I watched about half of the third video and had to turn it off.

Watching ignorant people try to be clever is painful.
 
It was actually on point and certainly not just in Trek.

Hardly.

He whines about Strong Female Characters “aren’t allowed to have mentors, especially males”…while showing a clip of Rey!

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Jeez. Don't get me wrong: I have plenty of issues with Picard and Discovery but the blanket TOS reverence mystifies me.

Well, this is the TOS forum, and some of our regulars are True Believers. Which they can certainly be here.

I don’t begrudge anyone their fandom, but yes sometimes the negativity toward NuTrek can be disheartening.

As you get to know the board better, you’ll find your tribe.
 
Well, this is the TOS forum, and some of our regulars are True Believers. Which they can certainly be here.

I don’t begrudge anyone their fandom, but yes sometimes the negativity toward NuTrek can be disheartening.

As you get to know the board better, you’ll find your tribe.

I'd like to think I could be part of any tribe but yeah, the excessive devotion to TOS is a bit much for me
 
Well, this is the TOS forum, and some of our regulars are True Believers. Which they can certainly be here.

I don’t begrudge anyone their fandom, but yes sometimes the negativity toward NuTrek can be disheartening.

As you get to know the board better, you’ll find your tribe.
I grew up on tos so that’s always my touch point and I suspect, much of the tos board frequenters are the same.

I quite liked much of TNG and then with every subsequent iteration found myself less and less interested. Perhaps it was that I drifted outside the target demographic and the writing was for younger fans than I. Which is totally fine. So I can’t really get into the abramsverse any more than I can really get into many of the other contemporary movies out there. It’s not unlike popular music. My interests sort of ended with oasis …

not to imply that everyone here is a dinosaur or still behave like they did in the show madmen. The critical drinker videos are quite funny
 
I grew up on tos so that’s always my touch point and I suspect, much of the tos board frequenters are the same.

I quite liked much of TNG and then with every subsequent iteration found myself less and less interested. Perhaps it was that I drifted outside the target demographic and the writing was for younger fans than I. Which is totally fine. So I can’t really get into the abramsverse any more than I can really get into many of the other contemporary movies out there. It’s not unlike popular music. My interests sort of ended with oasis …

not to imply that everyone here is a dinosaur or still behave like they did in the show madmen. The critical drinker videos are quite funny

I have issues with the abramsverse and recent Trek shows. And despite growing up on ENT I see it's problematic in retrospect. I just don't want to become stuck in a unilateral "new stuff sucks" mindset.

And the critical drink is another one of those angry YouTubers who just promotes fandom toxicity.
 
I just don't want to become stuck in a unilateral "new stuff sucks" mindset.
This is based on the assumption that some people hate something just because it’s new, and thats a simplistic and unfair generalization.

I grew up with Sean Connery Bond reruns on television and Roger Moore Bond in the films. I read all the original Fleming books. I enjoyed the Moore films on a certain level, but I always envision Connery when reading the books. Timothy Dalton’s Bond films were okay. I cannot stand the Pierce Brosnan Bonds. I loved Daniel Craig as Bond early on (Casino Royal was fantastic!), but as his tenure progressed I became less enamoured. But the real core of the Bond films I liked or didn’t like were largely the stories, the overall tone and execution.

TOS will always be my Star Trek—the real Star Trek in its purest form. It’s not perfect, but it got far more right than wrong. And it was fresh and creative in a way no successive Trek could ever be because they would be building on what TOS brought to the table first.

I initially disparaged TNG, and its first season made that easy. “Encounter At Farpoint” is simply not a good pilot—it comes across as rough, unpolished and padded. I understand why it’s that way, but that doesn’t excuse what we finally got. Subsequently first season TNG rarely seemed to find its groove. On network television TNG likely wouldn’t have survived the first season. Season 2 was hit-and-miss, but generally better than one—they were starting to find their rhythm.

While I initially resisted TNG their essential approach was laudable—create a new Star Trek that didn’t just regurgitate TOS. Eventually I would see all of TNG and I would mellow some. Some of TNG’s best could stand with TOS’ best even though TOS will always be my favourite. In the end I find myself liking about 1/3-1/2 of TNG and the vast bulk of that is in the first four seasons. For me Season 5 is where I felt the show starting to get tired. By Season 7 it’s almost a total write-off.

I started out liking DS9, but during the third season I discovered Babylon 5 and I liked that so much better. I bailed on DS9, dropping in once in awhile to see what was happening. For me DS9 is like The West Wing—I know it’s decent, but it just doesn’t grab me.

From the get-go I couldn’t stand VOY and could never warm up to it. It impressed me as being a TNG wannabe and it bombed in my eyes. I didn’t like the characters and I found it stale.

I was initially intrigued with ENT—exploring a pre Federation era. Then I saw it and it never worked for me. It hit me as a dishonest reboot of TOS only loaded with easter eggs and saying “we’re the ones who were first, not the TOS crew.” I had wanted to like it, but nothing was how it could have been.

And since then Trek has never recovered in my eyes. Indeed it’s gotten worse with unimaginative vision and generally poor writing. JJtrek is a fucking sin. Old Trek appealed to many ages for differing reasons, but it was still aimed at adults and written by adults. Current Trek s written by those with an inexperienced juvenile mindset. As others have said it’s been infantilized. All they do is regurgitate or rearrange what came before and load it up with Easter eggs and dare to call it creative.

I have long thought a Pike era series—live-action or animated—could be interesting. Sadly SNW isn’t that series. Their approach is to rewrite and redefine what came before and it’s lame.

Part of what is sad is that all the successive Trek series have had good casts, but they were wasted by producers who mostly don’t understand or even like the original source materiel. They won’t to recapture the success of TOS and TNG, but they don’t understand what made those shows work. They’re playing in a sandbox they don’t understand.

It’s easier to give something new a fair shake when it’s fresh and doing its own thing. It’s a lot harder when something is riding the coattails of something successful that came before—comparisons will be inevitable. You better bring your A game.
 
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