^ Yep, Here Come The Brides.
Lenard's character in that series, Aaron Stempel, is said to be Amanda's ancestor
Killing Time question.
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To the best of my knowledge, Ishmael is the only Trek/non-Trek crossover story that got professionally published. As long as you realize that nothing about it could possibly be considered canon - it is actually more like a high-quality fanfic - it's a fun read.
I absolutely loved Killing Time and started my own fanfic series based on it.
I absolutely loved Killing Time and started my own fanfic series based on it.
Here Come the Brides not only starred Mark Lenard, but Robert Brown (Lazarus, "The Alternative Factor") and David Soul (Makora, "The Apple"). So it shared a number of fans with ST, obviously including Barbara Hambly. But Ishmael was a mashup of a whole bunch of Westerns and SF series. I don't recall what other Westerns were homaged (maybe Bonanza?), but the 23rd-century portions include references to Doctor Who (mentions of Metebelis crystals and a time-travelling civilization in the constellation of Kasterborous) and the Hokas of Poul Anderson & Gordon R. Dickson's prose fiction, among others.
Ack. I'd forgotten the Doctor Who references. Now that I think about it, that really annoyed me. There is NO WAY that Doctor Who could EVER be part of the Trek universe - absolutely nothing matches at all, time-wise. There are NO pockets of history where the events of one series could possibly be part of the other.
That's not to say that there isn't some rather good Trek/Who crossover fanfic. But that sort of thing does not belong in the pro novels.
That's not to say that there isn't some rather good Trek/Who crossover fanfic. But that sort of thing does not belong in the pro novels.
Good thing the crossover where the Doctor boarded another NX-class starship that RTD was mooting never happened.
A televised crossover between Doctor Who and Enterprise? 
In the Doctor Who universe, there could not possibly have been any starship Enterprise - the DALEKS were running Earth at that time!
In the Doctor Who universe, there could not possibly have been any starship Enterprise - the DALEKS were running Earth at that time!
Ahh, let's not forget the X-Men crossovers of the late Nineties...
I really liked it, too, as a kid (when I didn't pick up on any of the K/S overtones), and I own a copy of the "naughty" version. I remember thinking it was unfortunate that this was just a standalone, with Van Hise going to all that trouble to create an alternate timeline which would never be explored in any other novel.I absolutely loved Killing Time and started my own fanfic series based on it.
Hm. I forgot about the X-Men one because I don't read comics. Or at least not superhero comics.Ahh, let's not forget the X-Men crossovers of the late Nineties...
I really liked it, too, as a kid (when I didn't pick up on any of the K/S overtones), and I own a copy of the "naughty" version. I remember thinking it was unfortunate that this was just a standalone, with Van Hise going to all that trouble to create an alternate timeline which would never be explored in any other novel.I absolutely loved Killing Time and started my own fanfic series based on it.
There were two different versions of Killing Time?
What got my mind percolating was when Kirk's sadistic roommate said he was lucky the Vulcans stepped in to govern Earth when they did, as otherwise Kirk would be dead, not serving a sentence aboard a starship. So I started wondering just how bad was the situation on Earth, and what would the Vulcans have done to remedy things and "civilize" the humans?
Well, actually, since it's established in both Star Trek and Doctor Who that perfect duplicates of Earth exist in the universe (Miri's World and Mondas, respectively), it could just be that the Doctor always visits an Earth, not the Earth. And one had an NX-class starship, and the other had a Dalek Invasion of Earth.
There's probably some discussion of that in the older posts in the thread, but that's one of the things that makes the book notorious. Della Van Hise wrote a not-very-subtly disguised Kirk/Spock romance (i.e., slash) novel, the editor said knock it off and strip that stuff out, which Van Hise did, and then someone at Pocket printed the first version accidentally. I don't know if Pocket made any effort to recall the first printing from bookstores, because there are plenty of copies still circulating out there, but later printings had the revised text.
I forgot to mention the Doctor Who reference I just came across this morning, when Spock sees a young lady leaving the casino with a rumpled gentleman with a flute sticking out of his coat pocket. I wasn't even thinking to look for that and it popped right out at me. Plus, the wife and I only became Whovians in the past year or so, so it's extra impressive that I caught the reference.
But Mondas was destroyed...
Just guessing... if that was a genuine Whovian reference, it would have to be the Second Doctor and either Zoe or Victoria, since the Second Doctor is the only one who routinely carried a flute around.
I'm obviously going to have to re-read this novel.
There was a Trek/X-Men novel too, Planet X by Michael Jan Friedman. It was a loose sequel to the second comic.
The novel is what I meant. I vaguely knew that "X-Men" referred to some sort of superhero comic. I'm not into that, so put the novel out of my mind.
I vaguely knew that "X-Men" referred to some sort of superhero comic. I'm not into that, so put the novel out of my mind.
And Bjo Trimble. See the chapter devoted to set visits to the show in "On the Good Ship Enterprise".
Yep. Unmistakable ameos from the Ponderosa boys (who join a saloon brawl), also the Mavericks - and Paladin of "Have Gun, Will Travel".
There's also a version of our solar system where the saurian Visitors from Sirius IV destroyed the moon Io.
'Cos pro authors are never allowed to have a bit of fun with cameos?
Also, since the Doctor travels in time, I'm sure the TARDIS routinely jumps among different timelines. So some of the episodes we've already seen could have taken place in Trek's timeline, some in B5's, some in B7's, etc.
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