Killing Kirk was the stupidest move ever made!
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Not that I disagree with you... but who are we to debate the infallability of canon? 
While I wish his death had been more...I don't know, meaningful (? I don't think this is the word I'm looking for, since I think in his eyes saving however millions of people on that planet would be a good way to use you life), I don't disagree with Kirk being killed off. The character was getting old (not stale, actual age) and he was going to have to kick the bucket somehow. Might as well go down swinging, it was his style.
I do hope though that they picked up his body though for a proper state burial.
I do hope though that they picked up his body though for a proper state burial.
While I hated seeing Kirk die in Generations (I was totally happy with TUC as being the last time we saw him ever), I probably would hate the idea of Kirk alive and well in the 24th-Century even more.
^ I agree with you, it would have felt forced. I also agree that TUC was a much better send-off for the character. The whole crew in-fact. I wish they had left the characters alone after that.
I don't mind Kirk's death at all. Kirk had to go somehow, a man like that wouldn't have been happy growing old and dying in bed. I thought him dying with Picard next to him was very touching.
As a side note, Does Kirk's death remind anyone else of the John Wayne film, The Shootist? It has a somewhat similar premise. A legend from another era showing up for one last battle, in which they are killed in somewhat inglorious fashion. Not only that, but it marked the last appearence of both icons (Kirk and Wayne).
As a side note, Does Kirk's death remind anyone else of the John Wayne film, The Shootist? It has a somewhat similar premise. A legend from another era showing up for one last battle, in which they are killed in somewhat inglorious fashion. Not only that, but it marked the last appearence of both icons (Kirk and Wayne).
I'd rather that how he died would have been left up to our imaginations, but I've had 15 years now to come to terms with it.
That's an interesting idea that had never occurred to me. I'll say that I thought The Shootist was a better movie than GEN.
Well that's the problem when you don't know when to stop. Kirk's story was well finished in TUC, and it was more than satisfactory.
Me neither. Seconded. I thought it was a nice way for him to go. It could have been worse.
Interesting find there.
Why do people always want everything spoon fed to them? Just let the character ride into the sunset and be done with it. I have yet to see an instance where it worked to literally write the character to death. That said, Indiana Jones 4 was horrible, and Indiana Jones 5 will be even worse. And if they kill Indy in that one, it will be stupid, regardless of how he dies.
Instead of Generations, they could have made the next movie of Sulu and the Excelsior and during a crisis show how Sulu's tactics really worked more than Kirk's ideas (Him onboard) and then that would show Kirk he needs to retire and he retires to a horse ranch..sort of like Picard did in All Good Things, retiring to his grape farm when he realized his era is over.
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After reading a few of the "Shatnerverse" novels, I would agree, Kirk alive and well in the 24th century doesn't work. At all.
James Kirk died of congestive heart failure some time after the events of TUC and before those of GEN whilst climbing a mountain on terraformed Venus. His body fell three kilometers and upon impact collapsed a previously un-surveyed sinkhole housing the last of Venus's indigenous lifeforms, the Venusian Xsjf. The creature awoke from hibernation from contact with Kirk's DNA, and involuntarily and all-but-wholly became the man, minus any medical ailments or memory of its previous life.
A normal death for a normal human being, while also fitting in with exalted canon.
Or we could say all of GEN was a holonovel for our benefit, keeping secret a faaar more glooorious death for our substitute messiah.
If you're wondering what the hell I'm talking about, get in line.
A normal death for a normal human being, while also fitting in with exalted canon.
Or we could say all of GEN was a holonovel for our benefit, keeping secret a faaar more glooorious death for our substitute messiah.
If you're wondering what the hell I'm talking about, get in line.
^ Star Trek seems pretty good at rewriting canon without actually violating it, so in a fan-fic sort of way, I can ride with this.
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