KHAN was going to LIVE again

[EnsignRicky]

Sharr Khan said:

EnsignRicky said:
Not very original, they already brought Kahn back in the original series episode: The Savage Curtain.

That was Colonel Green... close to the same era and a similar taste in red jumpsuits but different person all together.

Sharr

I was referring to Ghengis Khan, which is a joke by the way.

 

[blockaderunner]

RobertScorpio said:
Star Trek is science fiction.

No. It's a space opera. I'd even go as far as to say that it's space fantasy with technology that borders on a magical nature that is no different or esoteric as The Force in Star Wars or the One Ring in Lord Of The Rings.

 

[UnknownSample]

[/QUOTE] Actually, it's action-adventure that happens to be set in space.

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That describes Enterprise (in fact I use just those words that you used), and that's why it was a betrayal. ST when it works (orig. Trek, esp. year one, much of DS9, a third of Next Gen) is as science-fiction as you can get... it's a science-fiction drama. "Action" is not their purpose. It's there to serve the drama.

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

The reason Star Trek in general is not strictly speaking "Science Fiction" is because true SF is based on and extrapolated from actual science. Much of Trek "science" is pure fantasy. Just because it has spaceships and laser pistols doesn't make it "Science Fiction."

 

[Alidar Jarok]

ChristopherPike said:
Next time on Star Trek: The Next Generation...

No, it's "Next time on Staaaaaaar Trek: Thenextgeneration

 

[Forbin]

EliyahuQeoni said:
The reason Star Trek in general is not strictly speaking "Science Fiction" is because true SF is based on and extrapolated from actual science. Much of Trek "science" is pure fantasy. Just because it has spaceships and laser pistols doesn't make it "Science Fiction."

To expand on that, good science fiction will postulate a scientific idea and examine its effects on society, or just on one main character. So I consider episodes like "Measure of a Man" to be real science fiction - postulate a sentient AI, and examine how various factions relate to it, its effect on peoples' beliefs and society in general.

 

[JoeZhang]

Sharr Khan said:

Metaphysics, magic, fantasy and pschological drama. Not science fiction.

I would say "science fiction", works best when it doesn't limit itself and any effort to define it as one thing only can only serve to... damage its ability to tell us something about ourselves and our world. No subject should be taboo for science fiction in the grander scheme

Sure but the mumbo-jumbo used to transfer Spock's spirit is fantasy - it has nothing to do with Sci-Fi, YOU could come up with a sci-fi explanation if you wish but none is actually presented in the movies..

 

[Cranston]

Alidar Jarok said:

ChristopherPike said:
Next time on Star Trek: The Next Generation...

No, it's "Next time on Staaaaaaar Trek: Thenextgeneration

 

[Sharr Khan]

JoeZhang said:

Sharr Khan said:

Metaphysics, magic, fantasy and pschological drama. Not science fiction.

I would say "science fiction", works best when it doesn't limit itself and any effort to define it as one thing only can only serve to... damage its ability to tell us something about ourselves and our world. No subject should be taboo for science fiction in the grander scheme

Sure but the mumbo-jumbo used to transfer Spock's spirit is fantasy - it has nothing to do with Sci-Fi, YOU could come up with a sci-fi explanation if you wish but none is actually presented in the movies..

It does asking about the nature of the soul is as valid science fiction concept even if it makes some scifi fans less the comfortable. Just cause no one applies some technobabble explanation does not fantasy it make.

I'd he careful going down that road which starts to take ideas off the table that science fiction can touch... if you do so both aliens and FTL are all just as much "fantasy", mumbo jumbo no matter what explanations you provide for them even if they're rooted is some "theoretical science" which is as valuable as fantasy in the real world.

Sharr

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Actually, it's action-adventure that happens to be set in space.

Absolutely Right(TM).

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

The optimum time to bring Khan back...Voyager's FUTURE'S END. Forget Ed Begley Jr., show us the "Eugenics Wars".

Of course, Montalbán himself wouldn't have been physically able reprise his role then. And he would've been too old. And Khan sans Montalbán just ain't Khan.

 

[Holytomato]

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That describes Enterprise (in fact I use just those words that you used), and that's why it was a betrayal. ST when it works (orig. Trek, esp. year one, much of DS9, a third of Next Gen) is as science-fiction as you can get... it's a science-fiction drama. "Action" is not their purpose. It's there to serve the drama.

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