KHAN was going to LIVE again

[RobertScorpio]

Ronald D Moore was hired on a spec script he wrote that indeed had Khan in it IN Picard's time. Star Trek is science fiction. I know many on this board don't understand this truth; but it is what it is. Science Fiction. That is why Spock's spirit can be transfered from McCoy to SPock. It is why Sisko can be a struggling writer for a pulp magazine. It is why a Borg Queen can be created for plot reasons.

So..I guess I have better faith in the writers than others. I guess I am naive.



Ronald D Moore is the best Trek writer to come from the BERMAN ERA. His BSG is a well written show. If he could find a way to bring Khan back, then...well...you all know where I am leading with this.

 

[Joker]

RobertScorpio said:
Star Trek is science fiction. I know many on this board don't understand this truth; but it is what it is.

It's not "shit sci-fi", which is what it becomes when you start bringing dead guys back every 5 minutes for no other reason than to please fanwankers.

 

[Broccoli]

Eh? I don't see what your point is.

He was going to bring back Khan (somehow), therefore he's Trek's best writer?

 

[Zeppster]

The only thing I can think of is some sort of time travel episode to the 1990s and they somehow meet a younger Khan. You can't somehow get someone that was blown up and bring them back to life. I can see having a body and somehow regenerating it making it come to life(Kirk's body was never destroyed like Spock's although Kirk would be pretty much deteriorated by the late 24th century)

Bringing back Khan is pretty much impossible. Maybe they find another super human or Khan's brother. But Khan was blowed up.

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

I think what he's getting at is since Ron wrote a spec script bringing Khan into the 24th Century after having died in TWOK that it should be no trouble to bring Kirk (played by the Shat, of course) back after having died in Generations.

The only problem with this logic (Well, not the only one) is that--so far as I know--the script that got Moore hired on TNG was "The Bonding," which doesn't have Khan in it.

 

[Cranston]

EliyahuQeoni said:
The only problem with this logic (Well, not the only one) is that--so far as I know--the script that got Moore hired on TNG was "The Bonding," which doesn't have Khan in it.

That's what I'd read too. I've never heard of this Khan script.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Cranston said:
That's what I'd read too. I've never heard of this Khan script.

A pitch about Khan was mentioned in an old Starlog interview with Ronald D Moore. They even doctored up some publicity shots to look like Picard was facing off against Khan. But it wasn't ever a script in development.

And he was hired on the strength and success of "The Bonding".

 

[Forbin]

RobertScorpio said:
Ronald D Moore was hired on a spec script he wrote that indeed had Khan in it IN Picard's time. Star Trek is science fiction. I know many on this board don't understand this truth; but it is what it is. Science Fiction.

Actually, it's action-adventure that happens to be set in space. An occasional episode did indeed touch on the premises of science ficion, but for the most part, no. spaceships do not science fiction make.

That is why Spock's spirit can be transfered from McCoy to SPock. It is why Sisko can be a struggling writer for a pulp magazine.

Metaphysics, magic, fantasy and pschological drama. Not science fiction.

It is why a Borg Queen can be created for plot reasons.

And that was just stupid writing

So..I guess I have better faith in the writers than others. I guess I am naive.

I guess so!

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

There was, AFAIK, never an intention to bring back Khan for TNG.

Harry Mudd, yes. They had it written and everything. But Roger C. Carmel's death prevented them from going ahead with it.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Therin of Andor said:

Cranston said:
That's what I'd read too. I've never heard of this Khan script.

A pitch about Khan was mentioned in an old Starlog interview with Ronald D Moore. They even doctored up some publicity shots to look like Picard was facing off against Khan. But it wasn't ever a script in development.

And he was hired on the strength and success of "The Bonding".

I vaguely remember that, wasn't it something like it all turned out to be some holodeck face off but the crew thought it was real similar to "Ship In A Bottle?"

 

[Sharr Khan]

Metaphysics, magic, fantasy and pschological drama. Not science fiction.

I would say "science fiction", works best when it doesn't limit itself and any effort to define it as one thing only can only serve to... damage its ability to tell us something about ourselves and our world. No subject should be taboo for science fiction in the grander scheme of things and there should be no "right way" to tell a science fiction story.

On topic, I've a vague remembrance of Khan being floated as an idea for TNG but it would have been a holodeck recreation him, not a resurrected Khan from the Genesis Planet. Can't recall where I read that - maybe even here could be where I first heard this idea?

Sharr

 

[Sir Rhosis]

I think the OP is mixing up details of two different writers and spec scripts. I've never heard of anything to do with Moore and Khan.

However, in the early-90s, Starlog magazine published an article written by a young man (named Bernardin, iirc), who had recently worked as an intern on TNG. He landed the position on the strength of (imo) a truly atrocious spec script, going by his brief synopsis of it in his article, in which the Enterprise-D, iirc, travels through the Mutara Nebula and somehow Khan is "reintegrated" from his molecular components and the whole Genesis bullshit, etc., etc.

The denoument had Picard revealing it was only a battle simulation, none of it was real, but Bernardin (maybe his first name was Marc) had hoped that Montalban would reprise the role.

It all sounded very amatuerish to me, though it may have been a great script. Who knows.

Again, I think the OP is mixing the two writers up. AFAIK, "The Bonding" was the only spec Moore submitted, and he subsequently pitched "The Defector," which is what really got him hired full-time.

Sir Rhosis

EDI: As I was composing other posters filled in some of the details I mentioned.

 

[shapeshifter]

I've entertained fanboyish thoughts about the possibility some essence of Kahn survived somehow. By the way the planet explodes out towards our heroes on the Klingon ship as they make their escape, looks like a last effort by him to catch them. Wouldn't work though unless the 'spirit' found a new body but then it's no longer Khan.

 

[OmahaStar]

I recall reading something in the ST:TNG magazine somewhere around the 5th season, an article about an episode they were working on that would be an update of the Kobayashi Maru, with the starship captain facing off against Khan. It was to have been a holodeck adventure, but it would be known as a holodeck simulation from the beginning of the episode, no concerns about bringing the "real" Khan back.

Anyone else remember this magazine? The cover had Picard on one side, directly facing Khan on the other side, and they took up the majority of the cover.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Uss Stardis said:
I've entertained fanboyish thoughts about the possibility some essence of Kahn survived somehow.

The Genesis Wave turned his original matrix into a tree. No one ever found him.

Yes, he was "The Undiscovered Khan Tree".

 

[Forbin]

*Shoots Therin on a high stun setting*

 

[cultcross]

RobertScorpio said:

If he could find a way to bring Khan back, then...well...you all know where I am leading with this.

We know exactly, and that topic has been done to death. drop it.

 

[ChristopherPike]

He wouldn't necessarily needed to have been alive. Not technically.

Next time on Star Trek: The Next Generation...

The Crew of the Starship Enterprise falls prey to "The Wraith of Khan"

See what I did there?

As for Kirk, he doesn't really have any unfinished business that would keep him this side of those pearly gates. Plus I'm pretty sure that Gene Roddenberry is on record as far back as 1989 saying the good Captain would be long dead by the TNG era. It can be argued Ron Moore & Brannon Braga simply carried out his wishes.

If you're still clinging onto seeing Shatner in the next film, you need to let go. Check out "The Godfather" while you wait. Brando's character dies in the first part but it never stopped DeNiro winning an Oscar playing his younger self.

 

[EnsignRicky]

Not very original, they already brought Kahn back in the original series episode: The Savage Curtain.

 

[Sharr Khan]

EnsignRicky said:
Not very original, they already brought Kahn back in the original series episode: The Savage Curtain.

That was Colonel Green... close to the same era and a similar taste in red jumpsuits but different person all together.

Sharr