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Khan's group was a result of "selective breeding" not genetic thinkering; at least in the original series.

Even in the 60's they knew that "selective breeding" (probably not by choice in several cases) would not cause a super race inside well...one generation. That was a fucking ridiculous plot even then. If they had started the day the episode aired, maybe a second generation would have been gestating by the 90's, you need dozens to have that effect, if at all.
 
When I was in college, a requirement for graduation was 100 hours of community service. I did mine at the local Red Cross. That was located in a big old converted house that dated to the late 19th century. Inside, at the base of a flight of stairs, there was some intricate masonry work that included swastikas. That was quite disturbing, at first, but then I noticed the different orientation from the Nazi version and I went on to read up on the history of the symbol.

It wasn't long after that when I encountered something else that surprised me, to say the least. At the time, I collected old high school and college yearbooks. In a college yearbook from 1915, there was the Ku Klux Klan prominently featured....as a college club like any other. Their motto was "Knock 'em, Sock 'em, Rock 'em....KKK". :wtf:

Back to the history books I went.

That was some of the most outrageous shit that I've ever read. I couldn't even wrap my mind around that being allowed to exist whatsoever on college campuses, let alone being prominently featured in a yearbook.

Evil....fucking....minds.
 
I think history must always be seen in context . At different times there were different ethics and ideals. It doesn't mean we have to share them or to appreciate them, but we must accept the fact that things were like they were.
It's our task, as those who shape the present and thus create future history, to learn from history, to not repeat mistakes, and to try and improve on the work of our ancestors. By future generations, we'll be held responsible for the mistakes we make right now. Personally, I'd already consider it a progress if we'd at least make new ones and not recycle old mistakes.
 
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Western tourists in Asian countries are sometimes shocked to see swastikas on temples (and all over maps to indicate temple locations), only being familiar with the symbol's use in modern history in the Western hemisphere. And some feel the need to make presumptuous comments like "Don't they know what this symbol means??"

I have a copy of a collection of Kipling poems for Scouts and Guides which was my Grandfathers and there is a Swastika on the inside cover.

As for genetic tampering of the human genome, if it were possible to check for the faulty gene that triggers T1D, or any number of genetic conditions, I would easily allow a child of mine to have that gene modified.
 
I agree that it is totally ridiculous to call William Shatner a fascist in any way, shape or form, but Shat also might want to knock it off with the constant use of "SJW" because that's basically a Gamergate thing and is not going to win him any new friends.

"Social Justice Warrior" is a term that has taken on a life of its own outside the lexicon of Gamergate. It's very polarizing and means different things to different people. Some use it in a derogatory way and others embrace it.

Like so many things, it comes down to the subjective value judgment of the individual.

I have a Confederate kepi that I wear. I have ancestors who fought on the Confederate side, not because they approved of slavery (they hated it, in fact), but because they felt that the North was becoming too much like England was at the time of the Revolution, in being oppressive on matters that had nothing to do with slavery. But, people have a great capacity for seeing something and thinking that the only reason for it is what they believe....that there could not possibly be another explanation. I've had some people come up to me and ask about the hat because of it being a style that they are intrigued by because they don't know the story behind it and I have had others who have been offended without even asking me about why I wear it.
 
I have a Confederate kepi that I wear. I have ancestors who fought on the Confederate side, not because they approved of slavery (they hated it, in fact), but because they felt that the North was becoming too much like England was at the time of the Revolution, in being oppressive on matters that had nothing to do with slavery. But, people have a great capacity for seeing something and thinking that the only reason for it is what they believe....that there could not possibly be another explanation.
Yeah, sorry dude, but that's a bunch of Lost Cause Confederate apologist nonsense. I'm not saying you're a Confederate apologist, but you've unfortunately borrowed the rhetoric, hopefully unintentionally.

First off, the Southern colonies were home to the most Loyalists (irony alert) during the Revolution, hence the British Southern Strategy where they wanted to use Tories to hold onto territory gained as their army advanced North. Later, the Confederacy had no problem accepting British assistance in the form of blockade runners full of goods and in the construction of ships designed to break the naval blockade, or the British upper crust and merchant class' tacit support of the Confederacy for primarily economic reasons (while remaining outwardly neutral, and the common people were generally more supportive of the Union cause). So this idea that Southerners were so bitterly opposed to the British way of things doesn't really hold water.

Also, this idea that the South was so concerned about states' rights only applied to states' rights to continue the institution of slavery and to have it be supported even in states that had abolished slavery. They were perfectly fine with imposing on Northern states' rights with the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850, which strengthened the Fugitive Slave Act of 1793, and forced non-slave states to return escaped slaves to their masters. They did this under threat of an earlier civil war that only the Compromise of 1850 would abate. Also, the Northern states failure to support the continuation of the institution of slavery and uphold their obligations under the Fugitive Slave Acts and other laws relating to slavery were among the primary grievances cited in the Southern states declarations of secession. The states imposing their will on the others were the South on the North, under the coercive threat of civil war, not the other way around.

Every Confederate state cited the preservation of slavery as the primary motivating factor for their breaking away from the Union in their declarations of secession, so while certain individuals were more invested in preserving slavery than others, if you fought for the Confederacy, you knew the primary cause you were fighting for. So this idea that you could hate slavery but voluntarily become a Confederate soldier is a popular post-war noble Lost Cause concept that doesn't hold water. There may have been a relative few, but they are outliers. Even people who didn't own slaves profited by it and supported it because it gave them someone else to look down on and have dominance over even when they were dirt poor themselves.

What are you basing that on anyway? Do you have firsthand documentation where your ancestors write about how much they hate the institution of slavery but they'll join the slavery upholding Confederate States Army because those damn Yankees are just so oppressive about our right to oppress others? Or did you hear whitewashed stories down the years from relatives who didn't want to just come right out and say, "Your Great Great Great Grandfather Jebediah wasn't necessarily a bad person, but he fought for an evil cause."

When people see you wearing Confederate paraphernalia outside the context of a Civil War reenactment, movies/TV sets or theater performances, or history museum acts, why is the onus on them to assume non-malicious motives for wearing it? Would you assume someone walking down the street with a Nazi flag armband or a white guy with a swastika tattoo was just misunderstood? Would you feel the same way if you were Jewish, or Romani, or gay? Think about how that looks from the perspective of a black person when you wear a symbol of their ancestors kidnapping and enslavement. Why should they have to assume benign motives on your part when you're flaunting a symbol of their treatment as chattle and subhuman?

I'm not saying this because I think you're bigoted. I'm saying that you need to consider what that symbol means to others and look a little more critically on your family history. You have nothing to be ashamed of by your ancestors, since their actions were not your own, but when you take pride in the actions of those who supported a horrific cause whose primary purpose was the preservation of slavery, and which resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, and spawned an additional century and a half of racial animus because the South couldn't accept their changed reality, and you continue to do it after being told about how doing so affects others, then yeah, that starts being problematic. Before anyone objects, I'm not saying racism is only present in the South.

Anyway, I'm just saying that maybe wearing the Confederate kepi around town is not the most considerate thing to do.
 
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Oh, and mod hat back on, but we should probably get this train back on the track on discussing genetic engineering and less about how "Aryan" should not be such a loaded word outside of Northern India or Iran, and swastikas mean something else in Asia so that somehow makes it okay for white guys in Western nations, or how wearing Confederate hats don't mean you're (even unintentionally) excusing the Confederacy and slavery.

TrickyDickie has the right to rebut or respond to the content of my post if he wants, because that's only fair, but everyone else needs to get back on topic. I know the issue of designer babies will have a major racial component attached to it as a concern, and that line of discussion is fine, but that's not what was being talked about.
 
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Designer babies are a consequence of our science. Test tube babies, abortions, genetic manipulation. Why shouldn't people design their offspring? If you can do it, then do it.
 
Designer babies are a consequence of our science. Test tube babies, abortions, genetic manipulation. Why shouldn't people design their offspring? If you can do it, then do it.
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Yeah, sorry dude, but that's a bunch of Lost Cause Confederate apologist nonsense. I'm not saying you're a Confederate apologist, but you've unfortunately borrowed the rhetoric, hopefully unintentionally.

First off, the Southern colonies were home to the most Loyalists (irony alert) during the Revolution, hence the British Southern Strategy where they wanted to use Tories to hold onto territory gained as their army advanced North. Later, the Confederacy had no problem accepting British assistance in the form of blockade runners full of goods and in the construction of ships designed to break the naval blockade, or the British upper crust and merchant class' tacit support of the Confederacy for primarily economic reasons (while remaining outwardly neutral, and the common people were generally more supportive of the Union cause). So this idea that Southerners were so bitterly opposed to the British way of things doesn't really hold water.

Also, this idea that the South was so concerned about states' rights only applied to states' rights to continue the institution of slavery and to have it be supported even in states that had abolished slavery. They were perfectly fine with imposing on Northern states' rights with the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850, which strengthened the Fugitive Slave Act of 1793, and forced non-slave states to return escaped slaves to their masters. They did this under threat of an earlier civil war that only the Compromise of 1850 would abate. Also, the Northern states failure to support the continuation of the institution of slavery and uphold their obligations under the Fugitive Slave Acts and other laws relating to slavery were among the primary grievances cited in the Southern states declarations of secession. The states imposing their will on the others were the South on the North, under the coercive threat of civil war, not the other way around.

Every Confederate state cited the preservation of slavery as the primary motivating factor for their breaking away from the Union in their declarations of secession, so while certain individuals were more invested in preserving slavery than others, if you fought for the Confederacy, you knew the primary cause you were fighting for. So this idea that you could hate slavery but voluntarily become a Confederate soldier is a popular post-war noble Lost Cause concept that doesn't hold water. There may have been a relative few, but they are outliers. Even people who didn't own slaves profited by it and supported it because it gave them someone else to look down on and have dominance over even when they were dirt poor themselves.

What are you basing that on anyway? Do you have firsthand documentation where your ancestors write about how much they hate the institution of slavery but they'll join the slavery upholding Confederate States Army because those damn Yankees are just so oppressive about our right to oppress others? Or did you hear whitewashed stories down the years from relatives who didn't want to just come right out and say, "Your Great Great Great Grandfather Jebediah wasn't necessarily a bad person, but he fought for an evil cause."

When people see you wearing Confederate paraphernalia outside the context of a Civil War reenactment, movies/TV sets or theater performances, or history museum acts, why is the onus on them to assume non-malicious motives for wearing it? Would you assume someone walking down the street with a Nazi flag armband or a white guy with a swastika tattoo was just misunderstood? Would you feel the same way if you were Jewish, or Romani, or gay? Think about how that looks from the perspective of a black person when you wear a symbol of their ancestors kidnapping and enslavement. Why should they have to assume benign motives on your part when you're flaunting a symbol of their treatment as chattle and subhuman?

I'm not saying this because I think you're bigoted. I'm saying that you need to consider what that symbol means to others and look a little more critically on your family history. You have nothing to be ashamed of by your ancestors, since their actions were not your own, but when you take pride in the actions of those who supported a horrific cause whose primary purpose was the preservation of slavery, and which resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, and spawned an additional century and a half of racial animus because the South couldn't accept their changed reality, and you continue to do it after being told about how doing so affects others, then yeah, that starts being problematic. Before anyone objects, I'm not saying racism is only present in the South.

Anyway, I'm just saying that maybe wearing the Confederate kepi around town is not the most considerate thing to do.

As an analysis of the 'big picture', what you wrote here is something that I have no problem with and I generally agree. I didn't elaborate enough, and give context, so I will correct that now.

My people fall into just the term that you mentioned....outliers. Ones who experienced something that was not the norm. How widespread it was in actual practice, I have no idea. It's the kind of thing that vigorous supporters of the theory of Union ideology don't like to discuss. Obviously, not all commanders engaged in this, but some did. It was not murder in the case of my family, but I can see where it could lead to that if someone did not comply and a commander had....let's just say certain personality traits. Either way, it was a war crime.

The Confiscation Acts, particularly the first one, were quite broad in scope. There were a lot of gray areas (no pun intended) and interpretation ended up being quite subjective. However, in light of what happened in this case, it's really neither here nor there, because I don't believe that the commander involved was interpreting anything. I think he had basically just gone rogue and was doing as he pleased.

My people had a farm that they worked themselves. No slaves. They didn't believe in a hierarchy of humans based on skin color. They were reasonably self-sufficient. They didn't get to town a lot and news was slow to reach them. They were like a lot of other more rural people of the time in the aspect that they didn't pursue politics or a lot of the issues that 'town people' were concerned about. Their focus was family and farm. Farms like theirs were almost like islands, in some ways. The simple fact that the war had begun was news that took a considerable amount of time to reach them. They hoped that the fighting wouldn't come close to them. Well, it was a vain hope, as they say.

When the war reached their doorstep, it arrived in the form of a commander who ordered them off of their own land at weapon-point. In that way, he could justify it as having been abandoned because they would no longer be there. They barely got away with the clothing on their backs. No one was under any illusion of what would have happened if they had tried to refuse. They were not Confederate at that point. They were just living in the South. They fled farther south and joined the Confederacy. That had been their only exposure to the Union in action and everything they had was taken away from them. With an experience like that, it's hard to blame them for thinking that was the norm because they had nothing else for comparison. They took from it that it was typical of Union behavior.

When the war was over, there was no making things right for them by the government. It was all brushed aside as if it had never happened. They had not been able to retain any paperwork for their land and the carpetbagger shysters had stepped into the picture by then, anyway.

From the tone, if not explicitly said in so many words, in the old family journals it's quite clear that the failure to make things right and admit a serious injustice was the sole reason that my people retained their pride in having served for the Confederacy. The actions of that commander followed by the non-action of the government made them feel that it was no better than what had gone on with the British and their treatment of colonists.

In writing this, I have come to a decision that will put the whole thing to rest for me. Most people whom I have encountered have been more interested in the style and design of the kepi than anything else. They have liked it for that reason. Well, both sides wore them. When people have been offended by mine, the seed of an idea has been taking root in my mind. I am going to let the idea grow to maturity. I am going to replace the CSA buttons with plain ones and I am going to dye the hat green. I can still enjoy the style, but no one will be offended because it will be neither Confederate gray nor Union blue.

And for me, the green will symbolize my pride for my people and their farm and growing things, not anything to do with that terrible war.
 
I remember back several years ago,when I was still doing online dating, I came across a profile that made me do a doubletake. The woman was Lithuanian, very beautiful, well-spoken, educated and interesting. But the portion of the profile where she detailed what she was looking for was full of "As you can see from my pictures and what I've written, I am a high-quality person. I will accept inquiries from high-quality men. Please be the at least such-and-such tall and the following: (Lists traits she wants in a man)."

Then there was this gem: "Also, please submit your bio-data. If we are compatible socially and romantically as a match, I need to know if we are biologically compatible as well. Please have no family history of disease or genetic abnormalities. I am looking for a long-term partner for marriage, and after marriage, to have children. I want my children to have good genes, to give them the best chances to excel in life. They should not have genetic weaknesses that lead to illness. I studied ballet for 14 years and run regularly, and I want my children to be similarly gifted in athletic ability. There are many advantages to good breeding...." And it just got worse and worse.

I'm not the type to send snarky messages to people on dating sites, but I really, REALLY wanted to write to her and say "Hey Miss Eugenics....Khan Noonien Singh would like to speak to you." :lol:
 
I'm not the type to send snarky messages to people on dating sites, but I really, REALLY wanted to write to her and say "Hey Miss Eugenics....Khan Noonien Singh would like to speak to you."
The name alone might put her off lol
The funny thing as far as I know none of the great athletes of the world produced great athletes, most children have no desire to follow in their parents footsteps. Another example The Jackson's 5 parents were not known for their amazing singing ability and dance moves.
 
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