Khan’s starfleet jacket
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That Marla originally owned the broken metal insignia that Khan wears is also a logical extrapolation. Who else's would it be? (But I know you do seem to hate extrapolations.)
Okay, so Khan got his jacket from Terrell, but what about the rest of the crew? Where did they get their jackets?
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I imagine from the crew and ship's stores.
No one was ever seen wearing those outfits.
What’s your point? It’s a series of lockers, the sort of thing found in ship’s stores, the place where one might find uniforms.
It's just a reference to the fact those space suits were scrapped and never made it to the screen.
I see. Thanks for clarifying that.
But it wasn't called out as logical extrapolation. The post read...
...which is different than "Maybe McGivers had".
That's my Fact Trekker/serial debunker beef.
"Never"? They're in that shot!
"No one was ever seen wearing those outfits."
They did "make it to the screen" though. It's also a logical extrapolation that McGivers was Khan's wife, but nothing from the movie indicates this to be the case. Just a piece of fanon and later non-canon info.
The belt buckle, if not from McGivers, could've come from any manner of supplies given to the Augments when they beamed down in "Space Seed".
...The saving grace there being that the design is extremely simple, and thus not particularly era-specific. Kirk in TOS could have worn a brooch or buckle like that easily enough. Heck, Khan could have pocketed one of Kirk's very own trinkets when rummaging through his stuff, back when the superman commanded the starship. Getting it past Kirk during the banishment process would be a breeze, and something Khan might take delight in doing.
But it being part of whatever gear McGivers took down with her resonates better with the plot, and with Khan's supposed grief and obsession.
Timo Saloniemi
But it being part of whatever gear McGivers took down with her resonates better with the plot, and with Khan's supposed grief and obsession.
Timo Saloniemi
They printed them out using the uniform printer in their quarters, perhaps.
The psychology of the other option appeals to me, though. First, Khan and his merry men and women have cruel fun with their captives, stripping them of possessions. Then, Khan realizes he has to make Chekov and Terrell presentable again, for fooling the Marcuses. So he belatedly goes to the clothes closet or printer...
In technobabble terms, printers and closets probably always existed side by side. The latter are well in evidence in the TOS movies, and in TNG still. But when the former make an appearance in DSC, we also get indications that once printed, the uniforms go into a closet and can be retrieved when needed, say, to clothe Booker to fool the Earthlings. If anything, DSC with its drawers is the show with the most blatant indications that the cabins have storage space for personal items, even if the closets in TOS and TNG were shown in action at times.
Timo Saloniemi
In technobabble terms, printers and closets probably always existed side by side. The latter are well in evidence in the TOS movies, and in TNG still. But when the former make an appearance in DSC, we also get indications that once printed, the uniforms go into a closet and can be retrieved when needed, say, to clothe Booker to fool the Earthlings. If anything, DSC with its drawers is the show with the most blatant indications that the cabins have storage space for personal items, even if the closets in TOS and TNG were shown in action at times.
Timo Saloniemi
In the context of Wrath of Khan, it's Marla's uniform insignia Khan wears around his neck. That they didn't have those (oversized, belt buckle) insignias in TOS matters as much as Khan's skin colour changing and his followers becoming Aryan teens. Or all of Discovery.
I never gave much thought to how Khan got his uniform jacket. I just figured he wasn't on the bridge the entire time he was on the Reliant. He probably had to leave to eat and sleep (Augment or not, even supermen have to eat and sleep at some point). I always just figured he snagged a jacket during one of those periods.
Greg Cox does provide a potential explanation for the Starfleet insignia in his 3rd Khan novel, To Reign in Hell . Chekov was on the security detail that beamed down to Ceti Alpha V when Khan was exiled there and he gave the insignia to Lt. McGivers as a gift so she would always remember her times on the Enterprise. It was indicated Chekov might have had just a bit of a crush on McGivers. She was touched by his gift. After she was murdered Khan decided to wear it, partly in her honor, but more so as a reminder that this was all Kirk's fault (in his point of view anyway). Sort of a mark of his promised vengeance on Kirk.
Greg Cox does provide a potential explanation for the Starfleet insignia in his 3rd Khan novel, To Reign in Hell . Chekov was on the security detail that beamed down to Ceti Alpha V when Khan was exiled there and he gave the insignia to Lt. McGivers as a gift so she would always remember her times on the Enterprise. It was indicated Chekov might have had just a bit of a crush on McGivers. She was touched by his gift. After she was murdered Khan decided to wear it, partly in her honor, but more so as a reminder that this was all Kirk's fault (in his point of view anyway). Sort of a mark of his promised vengeance on Kirk.
McGivers was murdered?
