Poll Kelvin Star Trek 4 - Yea or Nay

[STEPhon IT]

This maybe a stretch, but I would like Abrams to continue the direction he set out in the first 2 movies; I thought it was too soon to have a 1701-A when in BEY it appeared there was a face lift on the Enterprise. I would like to explore that version of the ship a little more than seeing it ripped to shreds. I would like a turn back the clock adventure before the events happened in BEY; sort of like a "Prequel to the sequel", but there has to be an end of the James Bond supervillain gimmick - there's more to Star Trek than that schtick. I don't know how many people has seen "Contact" the movie wasn't very good but the idea was interesting, I would actually like to see such a concept be explored in a Star Trek movie.

 

[fireproof78]

Unfortunately, the loss of Yelchin makes that very difficult to walk back on adventures. I wouldn't mind a different villain or lack of one but walking it back would be odd to me.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Chekhov could be assigned somewhere while another officer is in his place. The Enterprise was a very large ship and there are many officers who could perform navigation as well as he could.

 

[fireproof78]

It's not a matter of the position but how that feeds in to the next film, Beyond. In Beyond, they are halfway through the 5 year mission and feeling burnt out and frustrated.

Now, maybe I am lacking in imagination (possible) but it doesn't feel like you can have Chekov be absent for the adventure and then show up and be frustrated and burnt out in Beyond.

 

[USS Firefly]

Maybe Chekov ran away with Marcus, but returned because he left her pregnant

 

[RAMA]

I'd like one but if they go with a totally new milieu for Hawley's Trek I'l accept it.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I really do want another film. I loved the past 3 films we got and after Beyond, well I wanted more. I really would love just one more film, even if it's a final film in this universe.

I know that lots of people aren't big fans/really don't like Kelvin-verse ST films. There have been rumors that the 4th Kelvin-verse film is set to be directed by Noah Hawley, but there's been no official confirmation that this movie will revolve around the Kelvin crew.
Personally, I loved ST09. Pretty spot-on casting, and a clever (if slightly clichéd) way of bringing Star Trek into a new era. ST:ID I didn't like quite as much, mainly because of the ending. (Magic rejuvenation blood? seriously? Doesn't that mean that they can bring anyone back from the dead?)
In my opinion, Beyond was good. not great, but good. There were good parts about it, but it felt a bit forced.
Anyway, my question is this -
Should they leave TOS alone and ditch the Kelvin timeline altogether, or continue to make Kevin movies?

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[STEPhon IT]

Maybe Chekov ran away with Marcus, but returned because he left her pregnant

I'm not a fan of The Fast And The Furious but I understand they made an effort to have Paul Walker installed in one of their sequels for a postmortem send off. I'm sure it's eerie but this process has been done other times before like Brandon Lee in the Crow, but the difference was Lee was killed during production of the movie and the producers needed a way to complete it for release. The Fast Movies preceded in the nature of honoring Walker and give a special thank you for the fans who loved his character. This element could be an approach for Chekov, but I would rather some dialogue he's on a separate mission and decided he wanted to stay where he's at.

 

[AmbreP]

This maybe a stretch, but I would like Abrams to continue the direction he set out in the first 2 movies; I thought it was too soon to have a 1701-A when in BEY it appeared there was a face lift on the Enterprise. .

I loved the redesign myself. I like the forst two ok as 3.5 out of 5 because they were just rehashes of previous scripts. For example the first movie was something that was the baby of Harve Bennet who wanted a star trek 90210 sytle in the starfleet academy....for which he had written a treatment ans scripts were written. The man could get money and the studio loved him but we can thank him for STTMP, STTSFS, and STTFF....otherwise known as the bas St movies. Those three where his pet projects and he was violently against STTWOK, Voyage home, and undiscovered country where Nicholas Meyer was responsible for the 3 good movies as final scripts doctor and/sometimes also director, who vetoed teh orgional script that into darkenss ripped 95% for the original STTWOK he doctored into the film we know today (and he didnt ask for film credit that time).

So all abrams did was riip off some old scripts.

Beyond was an original script which is why it was sooo much better. It is a perfect ST film script feeling like an extended episode. If they get Simin Pegg, or someone who knows trek, to write a script with a realistic budget......it would be awesome, and I really would like more as the younger cast can do things old trek didnt/couldnt. Like really get into the philosophy because no interference is really unethical and immoral.... in some cases. I mean push the boundaries avoiding current politics and the current epidemic.....It like they could make different but equally valid choices in similar circumstances, and maybe they go explore a different places because of the varibility

And of course they would be bored and feeling the pressure....thats part of having responsibility that the original moves and series could not explore with what people/audiences would accept.

I don't know how many people has seen "Contact" the movie wasn't very good but the idea was interesting, I would actually like to see such a concept be explored in a Star Trek movie.

I am assuming you are meaning STFC which also was supposed to be a orgional cast movie but Harve Bennet killed it because he wanted the ST academy nonsense. It was changed last minute to a next gen movie.

So please yes to more...but with scripts with people who understand startrek and just done want a generic scifi setting. . Abrams and team always used digtal effects even when practical was cheaper/easier and better for the actors. Watch some british Scifi Tv to see how a good script with a low budget trumps flashy effects everyday. Anyone else know blakes 7 or even the old and so some degree modern Dr who?

 

[fireproof78]

So all abrams did was riip off some old scripts.

Not really.

 

[STEPhon IT]

I am assuming you are meaning STFC which also was supposed to be a orgional cast movie but Harve Bennet killed it because he wanted the ST academy nonsense. It was changed last minute to a next gen movie.

No. "Contact" was a movie dealing with first contact with an alien lifeform and using wormholes to encounter them. It starred Jodie Foster and Matthew McConaughey, plot was a mixed bag and didn't dive into the mystery of the wormhole, extraterrestrials but was more about religious contexts and loss. The movie was loosely based on the novel by Carl Sagen which dive into more on what I was interested in, but I still think Star Trek could explore this concept further.

 

[Mudd]

I am assuming you are meaning STFC which also was supposed to be a orgional cast movie but Harve Bennet killed it because he wanted the ST academy nonsense. It was changed last minute to a next gen movie.

No. It was changed to ST 6. From what I've seen, the Bennett Academy movie would probably have been much better.

 

[Qonundrum]

It's probably too late, but get Simon Pegg to write it and Lin to direct and that's a robust start already.

 

[ISS Enterprise]

Yay for another movie with this cast

Nay if made by current clown show

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I'm totally down for one more adventure with our gallant crew, as long as they don't wait too frakking long.

 

[AmbreP]

I'm totally down for one more adventure with our gallant crew, as long as they don't wait too frakking long.

And if another main cast dies, like from covid/corona, natural causes or misadventure ....its prob game over

 

[fireproof78]

While I want the whole crew I'd settle for Cho.

 

[AmbreP]

While I want the whole crew I'd settle for Cho.

so a spinoff? LOL

I myself am surprised they don't have a web-series like they were individually marooned or just separated of something b/c the actors could make form home, and the theaters hare leased for another Kelvin movie for 2021 so they will have to do something or pay a HUGEEEEEE penalty. I mean even minor characters during the rebuilding of the enterprise....even anything, but there doesn't seem to be anyone pushing a vision so they isn't any movement. All entertainment is going to have to go small scale for safety for at least a year or maybe to with real world issues. Anime and comics do similar things all the time but the North American market is so geared to large scale everything, and with entertainment streams splintering from just network, to cable, and now to include streaming funding is a problem because it harder than ever to predict the markets.

If they were smart, the streaming entertainment would make licensing agreements to show on broadcast TV 6 to 8 months after streaming like premium channels do for movies. Trek is so big budget for how its effects are made. Even teh marvel stuff has to be really expensive, so less chances are taken because no one wants to rock teh boat.

I'm a fangirl myself of some actors and stories, so I understand, but it still is annoying to be both take for granted and disregarded for the huge impact of our modern myths on our psyche.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't think they are disregarding anyone so much as playing it safe in an uncertain market.

 

[AmbreP]

I don't think they are disregarding anyone so much as playing it safe in an uncertain market.

Agreed, but someone needs to think creatively or the art and media markets could collapse regardless of the dangers of filming during a pandemic.

We are all going to be so bored and needing entertainment its a huge unrealized opportunity to think creatively and find ways to reach people for our collective mental health as well as the high opportunity of a mostly captive market. Unlike the last writers strike, that cost us a year of new entertainment media in most cases, this effects all levels of media production. Tha mrket is fractured with streaming and Broadcast media its of course an issue too.

I live in a rural area within a mile of a wifi tower, but I still cant stream most anything because data rates are unreasonably high and signal is unrelyable. There is only really one choice in my area, and I'm literally 1/2 mile or less from both a T3 and T3 fiberoptic connections. I have to live here for health reasons (environmental illness), and there is no national incentive to to try to include anyone much less everyone even within metro areas....so once outside its even more sparse coverage, so there are so many untapped markets that don't even know the possibilities.

So its going to take a visionary like the ones that opened up the home media markets (laser-disks, VHS,DVDs,etc...) to really push a new way of thinking. I could see someone bringing back a form of drive in so people could get a mass entertianment while still social distancing.

But I have no individual power or voice, so...