Keiko O'Brien and Married Life

[FederationHistorian]

I do not have a problem with Keiko. She does not get enough credit for being a supportive partner.

 

[WarpCore]

"HARD TIME" - throughout the entire episode, she is very patient and supportive of Miles while he is recovering. From her simply leaving him sleep on the floor, undisturbed but just covering him with the covers, to being very soft spoken with him for most of the episode. She even didn't get even angrier at him when he got up and yelled at Molly (which she would have been completely justified to be, given the situation at that moment)... she just put her in her arms and looked at Miles, without saying a word. She knew that was all that was needed... and he left their quarters right then and there. She was fully supportive of him, but had a line that she wouldnt allow to be crossed. And even afterward when she appears at the end, she didn't retain any sort of anger at that incident, just was happy he walked back in their quarters.

You're misremembering that. After Miles yells at Molly, Keiko yells "Miles! What are you doing?" and physically shoves him away from their daughter.

He also doesn't leave immediately. He attempts to apologize then leaves to release his anger. He quickly concludes the best way to protect his family is to phaser himself after trashing a cargo bay doesn't help. Miles doesn't leave due to anything Keiko did.

 

[Davy]

ALWAYS favourable...that station was not good for a young family. Especially after the (on paper) easy Enterprise life. Miles taking the gig was the issue in that marriage, objectively.

 

[Farscape One]

You're misremembering that. After Miles yells at Molly, Keiko yells "Miles! What are you doing?" and physically shoves him away from their daughter.

He also doesn't leave immediately. He attempts to apologize then leaves to release his anger. He quickly concludes the best way to protect his family is to phaser himself after trashing a cargo bay doesn't help. Miles doesn't leave due to anything Keiko did.

I'm not misremembering. I gave a quick summary of that scene, not a frame by frame retelling of it because it wasn't necessary to do so.

Also, she did put Molly in her arms and was holding her, and she did not say a word to Miles at that point. She also gave Miles 'that look' when she held Molly. (If you've ever been married, you know what 'that look' means.) And then he tries to apologize and leave. But she gave him the look and didn't say a word because she knew that was all that was needed, because Miles is a good man and would back down.

So yes, Keiko absolutely was doing her part there, both as a wife and as a mother.

 

[Candleicious Ghost]

Never been married but I like Miles and keiko they're cute together

 

[WarpCore]

I'm not misremembering. I gave a quick summary of that scene, not a frame by frame retelling of it because it wasn't necessary to do so.

Also, she did put Molly in her arms and was holding her, and she did not say a word to Miles at that point. She also gave Miles 'that look' when she held Molly. (If you've ever been married, you know what 'that look' means.) And then he tries to apologize and leave. But she gave him the look and didn't say a word because she knew that was all that was needed, because Miles is a good man and would back down.

So yes, Keiko absolutely was doing her part there, both as a wife and as a mother.

Ok, then you're intentionally misrepresenting the scene to leave out the part where Keiko yells and pushes Miles when you say she didn't get angrier and all she did was hold Molly.

 

[Farscape One]

Ok, then you're intentionally misrepresenting the scene to leave out the part where Keiko yells and pushes Miles when you say she didn't get angrier and all she did was hold Molly.

No, I was not intentionally doing anything but giving a summary of that scene. A summary of what really mattered, which was Keiko handling that situation very well.

The only intention I have is showing Keiko is a good wife, mother, and character. Because she was.

 

[Oddish]

The state Miles was in had pushed her to her limit, and considering how badly emotionally damaged Miles was, I don't blame her. That's why I still head-canon that Bashir was, with some research (aided by a few veiled threats to those responsible), able to do something about those memories. O'Brien would have been unable to function otherwise.

 

[WarpCore]

No, I was not intentionally doing anything but giving a summary of that scene. A summary of what really mattered, which was Keiko handling that situation very well.

The only intention I have is showing Keiko is a good wife, mother, and character. Because she was.

By glossing over the escalation of domestic violence against a partner with severe PTSD from experiencing being tortured for 10-15 years?

 

[Farscape One]

By glossing over the escalation of domestic violence against a partner with severe PTSD from experiencing being tortured for 10-15 years?

Keiko escalating things against O'Brien?

We are clearly seeing things entirely differently, because there is no chance Keiko was escalating things and being against O'Brien.

I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree at this point, because I simply cannot see what you are even talking about.

 

[WarpCore]

Keiko escalating things against O'Brien?

We are clearly seeing things entirely differently, because there is no chance Keiko was escalating things and being against O'Brien.

I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree at this point, because I simply cannot see what you are even talking about.

Pushing someone that is only raising their voice or yelling is an escalation. Do you really not get that? That's why it's a huge misrepresentation to leave it out of a description of the scene. Keiko went to a higher level of force than Miles did, and you described it as she just gave him a look.

 

[Farscape One]

Pushing someone that is only raising their voice or yelling is an escalation. Do you really not get that? That's why it's a huge misrepresentation to leave it out of a description of the scene. Keiko went to a higher level of force than Miles did, and you described it as she just gave him a look.

And O'Brien got up and was moving toward Molly while yelling, which Keiko very rightfully was pushing him back a bit and grabbed Molly.

So, again, I don't see how she escalated things. She was doing the exact opposite.

And for the last time, I gave a summary of what was important in that scene.

And I'm done talking with you on this. Let's agree to disagree and move on, okay?