Justice League Doom. (Spoilers)

[Guy Gardener]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2027128/

That cocking was not Tower of Babel.

What the cocking was it?

It's been quite a while since I read the comics, and some of it was the same but they changed the villain behind the bastard, and they changed the endgame, and what sort of idiot thinks it's a good idea to rip off Kill Bill?

Unless the author was saying that both Vandal Savage and Bruce Wayne cocking LOVE Quentin Tarantino?

What the cocking was Cyborg doing in there, and what with the atrocious new costume design?

Although the end was straight out of that episode of Star Gate where Sam extends her cargo ships shields around a meteor about to hit O'Niels House, or the episode where she falls into a mirror universe and builds a planetary sized phasecloak... You know that cocking thing John Lock was so proud of which shat all over the final cocking episode of Enterprise?

The last couple movies were good because they ripped off the comics verbatim.

This was a cocking disaster.

 

[Gryffindorian]

Yes. I read the original story written by Mark Waid. This one looks very different, but then again it's a loose adaptation. This was back when Kyle Rayner was the GL.

 

[JD]

I didn't think this had come out yet?

 

[Admiral_Young]

It hasn't. It's probably ahem available online or if you're lucky enough to know someone who works at a video store you could probably ask them to get it pre-street release like I do with some stuff.

Yeah, I was afraid they would drastically alter the story line too much for me to enjoy this. I was really looking forward to this until I started reading about all the changes. I will still check it out but I probably won't like it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Yes. I read the original story written by Mark Waid. This one looks very different, but then again it's a loose adaptation. This was back when Kyle Rayner was the GL.

Where's Kyle?

Where the cocking was Jon Stewart?

That was mostly the cast from the turn of the century toons.

Good lord.

I just looked at Phil LeMarr's imdb listing.

WHEN DOES HE SLEEP?

Although, with Smallville's Martian Manhunter "Phil Morris" playing Vandal Savage, you'd have to wonder if he and Carl Lumby stepped out of their sound booths and arm wrestled until one them secured the ultimate rights to be the true Martian Manhunter... Of course, Phil always plays Vandal Savage.

But, yeah.

Just their "arms".

 

[Joerib]

Seen it and didn't really like it!! It reminded me of a long Young Justice episode with out Young Justice....

 

[Christopher]

^Didn't it have the same character designer as Young Justice? That could be what gave you that impression.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Perhaps Joerib just means that he hated this movie like something else he hated.

Not all hates are equal, but some are.

But you see, this is what I imagine...

Nathan Fillion and Ryan Reynolds still have "family" BBQ's where they get together once a month to compete the shit out of each other over every facet of their existence...All in the best possible tast, I'm not suggesting that if they had children that they would bet on the outcome of races between them... or am I?

"So Ryan, I'm Hal Jordan again. They called me back for a second movie. They love my Hal Jordan, the world loves my Hal Jordan, I am the worlds greatest Hal Jordan... How's that class action going from the ageived audiences who want their ticket concessions back after sitting through your "attempt" at Green Lantern?"

You know, "Friendly" competition.

 

[Joerib]

Perhaps Joerib just means that he hated this movie like something else he hated.

Not all hates are equal, but some are.

But you see, this is what I imagine...

Nathan Fillion and Ryan Reynolds still have "family" BBQ's where they get together once a month to compete the shit out of each other over every facet of their existence...All in the best possible tast, I'm not suggesting that if they had children that they would bet on the outcome of races between them... or am I?

"So Ryan, I'm Hal Jordan again. They called me back for a second movie. They love my Hal Jordan, the world loves my Hal Jordan, I am the worlds greatest Hal Jordan... How's that class action going from the ageived audiences who want their ticket concessions back after sitting through your "attempt" at Green Lantern?"

You know, "Friendly" competition.

I wouldn't say I hated it I just think it wasn't on par with the last JLA And I never seen the Character design till I seen the flick......

 

[Christopher]

And I never seen the Character design till I seen the flick......

Well, you said it reminded you of a Young Justice episode, which must mean you've seen that show. And the character design in YJ is mainly the work of Phillip Bourassa, who's also the character designer for JL: Doom. So I was wondering if the similarity you perceived might have been a function of the two productions having similar design styles and thus a similar feel.

 

[Joerib]

And I never seen the Character design till I seen the flick......

Well, you said it reminded you of a Young Justice episode, which must mean you've seen that show. And the character design in YJ is mainly the work of Phillip Bourassa, who's also the character designer for JL: Doom. So I was wondering if the similarity you perceived might have been a function of the two productions having similar design styles and thus a similar feel.

I have seen Young Justice and was not expecting the same character design is what I meant to say I guess..lol

 

[Guy Gardener]

Superman is solar powered.

He had to stop a solar flare.

Surely, the flare would make him stronger and more resilient faster than the radiation and heat that would be killing him, that it "might" all even-out without turning Kal into a colossus like during that Louise Simonson story from the early 90s, or Allstar Superman where he died of solar radiation poisoning... But then according the DC One Million, Superman builds a retirement villa on the sun eventually and lives there for thousands of years.

Isn't what Vandal said about his master plan almost verbatim to Ming the Merciless offer to Flash Gordon to be the Prince of Earth back in the movie from 1980, after he'd pacified humanity for a few years? "they may not exactly be the humanity you're used to, but they'd be yours, yours to rule in my name."

Doesn't Superman have a miniature star eater in his fortress, in "some" continuities at least?

Couldn't Green lantern have placed a space warp-portal/magic door in front of the solar flare? or couldn't he have replicated the delivery system of the missile which struck the sun, a million times over, fired them at the oncoming flare from a million different vectors, which because the flare was using that magnetic trail left behind by the original missile as a life line to find the earth, would have caused the flare to divide into a million tiny sparks heading now in every direction except earthward?

Something about the flash using the speed force to accelerate the flare so that it's travelling faster than light, and therefore backwards in time as it's moving forward so that they can position the moon inbetween the flare and the earth a day before all this pooh started.

But really.

When you get down to it.

I don't see why Cheetah, Metallo, Star Sapphire, Bane, Mirror Master and their Martian didn't just cut Vandal Savage into 5 pieces and bury him on separate corners of the Earth. So what if they can't kill him, and I refuse to believe that Star Sapphire can't boil %100 of the man's mass into a gas and watch a mist composed of flesh and bone float off, they can certainly incapacitate this Cromagnon for centuries with a gambit like that.

Oh.

The race card.

Who felt that they brought Cyborg on to make up for the lack of colour John Stewart used to staple down? As if they had a binding quota they could not legally ignore? I mean I was watching Hogans heroes recently and one day Kinch is there being supercool, and the next day there's this gimp kid "Baker" sleeping in Kinch's bunk and wearing Kinch's clothes... Do all black people look alike to Nazis?

Though displaying that J'onn has some less than Caucasian identities, I'm told that he lives dozens of lives all over the world, was a little more subtle and a delicate touch to the race issue.

 

[Admiral_Young]

They've been pushing Cyborg all over the place. So I've a question...what exactly does this actually have to do with Towel of Babel? I know they've said they've said it was based on the story, but how much was it based? Does Savage steal Bruce's secret files or something? The thing for me about is that by using Savage and not Ra's and Talia, it takes away all the personal connection and really the point of Towel of Babel being a Batman story.

 

[Christopher]

The thing for me about is that by using Savage and not Ra's and Talia, it takes away all the personal connection and really the point of Towe[r] of Babel being a Batman story.

Maybe that's why this version is presented as a Justice League story instead? From the title, I figure they wanted a story that would let them highlight a "Legion of Doom" group of villains. I think I read somewhere that this is a composite of "Tower of Babel" and something else, but I could be misremembering.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I think it's a mash up between Tower of Babel and Blazing Saddles.

Seriously, a pack of bastards are swooping in to scorched earth everything (Kill our women and rape our cattle) is coming so they move the Earth!?

(Sorta.)

Sure, it's not as bad as when Archer did it in that Episode of Enterprise, but pull the other one.

Seriously but, the fight scenes were so Looooong, that the script didn't have time to be half of anything else much that is overly recognisable. They spent at least 15 minutes just trying to take down the Royal Flush Gang in the opening act to set up some seeds and misdirection to the opening act.

In the comic, Ras Al Gul actually used Evil Fed EX to send Thomas and Martha around the globe twice while Batman was playing catch up AND not noticing the League getting pwned by his battle plans.

It felt like half the movie was Wonder woman fighting Cheetah who I did not recognise as Claudia black because she NEVER tries to sound that POSH normally.

Apparently Savage putting the band back together was loosely also stolen from some Devin Grayson Titans Comics letterheaded as Tartarus.

 

[Psylent1]

Changing the ways they attacked the JLA doesn't make sense.

The whole idea was to Immobilize a compromised JLA member. How does bolting a bomb to the Flash not kill him? How does shooting Superman in the heart with a Kryptonite bullet not intend to kill him?

Also, when Superman confronts the suicidal reporter on the roof of the Daily Planet, wouldn't the first thing he did be to scan the guy for his heartbeat, blood pressure, toxins and his general health? Maybe Metallo simulated those, but the one problem of hiding Kryptonite behind lead is that it would stand out to Superman's x-rays vision as something he can't see thru.

One of the things I loved about the old JLA/JLU show is the way they incorporated so many other heroes into it. Look at the roster for the episode where Amazo returns.

Even if you take down the JLA, there are plenty more heroes that will step up.

 

[Guy Gardener]

This might be a different continuity and canon.

Possibly the producers thought using Ras would conflict with what Nola did in his movie and cause too much friction from know it alls who know nothing... but then they wanted to doa legion of doom movie obviously form the title and they just fleshed out their primary interest with some tosh they thought no one cared about?

 

[Admiral_Young]

I read that Mark Waid was "Banned" from attending the premier. I wonder how much they altered Dwayne McDuffie's original script for this since this was his final script before he died.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Banned?

Wow.

Were they afraid he was going to pull the fire alarm?

 

[Admiral_Young]

It was a bleeding cool article from earlier this week I think. I thought it odd. I still am very hesitant about seeing this now. LOL