Just watched TSFS again

[Tiberius]

1. Genesis is a "galactic controversy" with massive permits and security clearance required, yet Grissom can go study it alone, without any kind of tactical support?

I expect that to get into the Pentagon you need massive amounts of permits and security clearance, but you don't need tactical support. Genesis is still a planet within federation space.

2. I can partly understand why Admiral Morrow would reject Kirk's request to go back to Genesis. In Morrow's eyes, Kirk might have been a bit looped out after the extreme stress of the previous couple of weeks, not only the battle with Khan but the loss of his best friend.

But it wasn't just Kirk having a snit -- the same request also came from Ambassador Sarek, and Morrow knew it. After all, only one movie later, Sarek had enough clout to walk in on a public meeting between the Federation President and the Klingon Ambassador. You'd think that Sarek, at least, would have a high enough status that whatever he asked for, he could get -- even if Morrow didn't understand "Vulcan mysticism", wouldn't the fact that it's Sarek making the request be enough?

Morrow is a dickhead. Nuff said.

3. If part of Kirk's "mission" was first to go retrieve Spock's body -- what made them think there was a body to retrieve? At this point in the story only Grissom knew that the casket had soft-landed. As far as Kirk and Sarek knew, the torpedo burned up in the Genesis atmosphere and there wouldn't be a body to recover. (Incidentally, it was kind of creepy of David to actually open the casket, since he expected Spock's corpse would still be inside.)

There's a lot of speculation that Kirk had a hunch that the Genesis effect would do something, and he set the probe to soft land, or something similar.

 

[Tiberius]

And why didn't they just beam to the BOP at the end, and over take the few (or one) guy there, then simply beam up Spock and the others

Because there was still the klingons on the planet who would kill Saavik and Spock at the first sign of trouble, such as Maltz not maintaining regular contact.

 

[Commishsleer]

Why did Kirk need to visit Genesis anyway?

Surely they just needed to go to Vulcan to get Spock's katra out of McCoy.

Kirk didn't know anything about Spock's body. In fact until half-way through the movie it was MIA.

Initially Kirk can't have been searching for Spock's corpse. Sarek never mentioned needing the body at all, did he?
Why didn't Kirk just book a shuttle for Vulcan instead of involving Morrow? Nothing wrong with visiting Vulcan with your good friend Dr McCoy.

He never needed to steal Enterprise unless he was just doing it to give Starfleet the finger for all its help in his hour of need.

 

[Timo]

Initially, at arrival to Spacedock Earth, Kirk just idly asked to get re-involved with the Genesis business, and Morrow said it was too hot. And that was that, Kirk had no motivation to press further. Nor did he have any motivation to go to Vulcan at that point.

It was only after Sarek paid him a visit that it became evident that going to Genesis was urgent. And it was only after Sarek paid him a visit that it became evident that something had to be done with McCoy. So going to Vulcan emerged as an option at that point only - and was overridden by the need to go to Genesis.

Why steal the starship? Sneaking in with a civilian vessel might work fine, too, but Kirk probably anticipated trouble either on the way there or at least on the way back. He knew Vulcan and Earth were somewhat antagonistic, as per "Amok Time", so running from Genesis to Vulcan in an armed starship might be enough to save the day - and Sarek's logic would probably back him up on this.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[2takesfrakes]

The implication was, as evidenced through McCoy's bar scene, that not even a low-life, bottom feeding charter vessel was willing to go to Genesis, which is absolutely absurd! And even when Sarek insists that Kirk dig up Spock's body and bring it to Vulcan he never does specify the necessity for it. Of which there was none, except with the knowledge that Spock was alive, somehow. I remember in TOS how Spock knew from Light Years away the fate of all of those Vulcans who got snacked on by the Giant Spaced Ameoba. So, if Sarek had that kind of foreknowledge, he should've been forthcoming with it, and just spelled it out: Spock's body is alive on Genesis.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Why did Kirk need to visit Genesis anyway?

Surely they just needed to go to Vulcan to get Spock's katra out of McCoy.

Kirk didn't know anything about Spock's body. In fact until half-way through the movie it was MIA.

Initially Kirk can't have been searching for Spock's corpse. Sarek never mentioned needing the body at all, did he?

Then what was the point of Kirk's voice over in TWOK:

"And if Genesis is indeed 'life from death,' I must return to this place again"

There's only one reason Kirk would say that. Clearly, Kirk believed Spock's body was in the environment (Genesis) to be restored; his voice over was not referencing Spock's Katra (which he--or McCoy--knew nothing about until Sarek's SFS visit).

The voice over sells the assumption that he programmed the torpedo tube for a soft landing, thus the shot of the torpedo coffin tied Kirk's VO to the audience nod that Spock would not be gone for long.

 

[urbandefault]

While I wouldn't have minded John Winston back, I saw Philip Morris' cameo the same as I saw Christian Slater's cameo: It was cool seeing someone you didn't expect in a Trek film. Granted, Morris wasn't a big name then - his father was - but it's interesting to look back at his cameo.

Wasn't that him, here, also? That's kinda neat in itself...

No, that kid is Mark Robert Brown.

I found this pic of four of the five kids all grown up.

 

[mos6507]

The implication was, as evidenced through McCoy's bar scene, that not even a low-life, bottom feeding charter vessel was willing to go to Genesis, which is absolutely absurd!

I don't get it. Why is it absurd? The guy with the earrings said it best. "Genesis is planet forbidden!". In the Trek universe, people aren't breaking regulations all the time, I guess, other than Harry Mudd and Cyrano Jones. And they don't need a blockade of Federation craft with shoot-to-kill orders to be willing to follow the rules.

 

[warpusher]

I have always liked, yet hated TSFS. I like the story, yet I hate that my favorite character, the Enterprise herself, is killed off.

Politically, the Federation must be run by complete peaceniks who are utterly incapable of a self-preserving thought. The Genesis/Mutara System is within Federation space, and even though quarantined it is such a peaceful sector that a mundane vessel such as Grissom can operate.

So, using modern terms, Genesis is in a home countries (Federation) waters. Enter the Klingons, who use a submarine to sink vessels in hostile waters and send a raiding force to claim land/capture people. If a Russian Sub were to do such an act in American waters (take a backwater/sparsely populated area like Midway Island, somewhere in the Aleutians or Alaska) it would be seen as an act of war.

Instead, the Federation suffers the loss of two naval vessels, then lets the Klingon Ambassador present his version of the event (complete with threats, release of battle footage and Genesis materials) to the Federation Council, who are acting like timid sheep until a Vulcan of all people (Sarek) has the gaul to step up to the challenge.

But anyway, back to TSFS. I've thought of so many ways that they could have done things differently instead of blasting Enterprise to Kingdom Come. As someone mentioned before, they could have used the transporters more creatively. Did these transporters not have the "scrub" that TNG had that removed weapons detected from the pattern? Scottie could have used his transporter expertise to send the Klingons to the Brig, to deep space, anywhere. Chekov despite not being an expert at Uhura's comm station should have been able to trianglulate the location of the ground party. They beamed down within a short hike of them, so they had to know where Savvik, Spock, and David were. They could have beamed them directly aboard the Enterprise then carried on the fight (manned select stations, got weapons active, etc). Since the BoP's shields were down Scottie could have beamed a chunk of matter into the antimatter tank, or he could have beamed aboard the Enterprise the BoP's "gas cap" (for lack of better terms), leaving her powerless.

Kirk and Co could have fought aboard the ship. Kruge expected opposition, thus he ordered his crew "armed heavily". Still, despite their arms, Kirk and crew had knowledge of every part of the Enterprise, their home ground. Have someone set up to fire in the transporter room as soon as they beam aboard. Fire at them in the hallways. Get additional arms from the ships arms locker to repel boarders. Hell, the Klingons had to get on a turbolift to get to the bridge, why not lock them in there, send the lift to the shuttlebay, then open the doors?

Sulu accurately guessed the compliment (about a dozen officers and men). They would have seen that the Klingons were stretched thin after eliminating the boarding party. There were not enough Klingons left (split between the BoP and the planet) to have put up a fight. Some of the Enterprise's crew could have manned a Phaser turret or rearmed the torpedo launcher, returning the ship to the fight. Scottie could have restored some control of the automation center as well.

Also, Starfleet had more than enough reason to vector additional ships ASAP to the sector. Contact had been lost with Grissom and a stolen battle-cruiser with a rogue crew was en-route. Kirk and Co could have beamed aboard Savvik and Spock, then been fighting a desperate fight against Kruge and Co onboard the Enterprise (instead of planetside), Kirk still kicks Doc Brown in the face and down a turboshaft, then the BoP is in position to fire and kill when the Cavalry arrives. Enterprise is saved, BoP is captured/destroyed and Kirk and Co go to Vulcan with Sarek (who was with the Cavalry) to end the movie.

 

[Commishsleer]

Why did Kirk need to visit Genesis anyway?

Surely they just needed to go to Vulcan to get Spock's katra out of McCoy.

Kirk didn't know anything about Spock's body. In fact until half-way through the movie it was MIA.

Initially Kirk can't have been searching for Spock's corpse. Sarek never mentioned needing the body at all, did he?

Then what was the point of Kirk's voice over in TWOK:

"And if Genesis is indeed 'life from death,' I must return to this place again"

There's only one reason Kirk would say that. Clearly, Kirk believed Spock's body was in the environment (Genesis) to be restored; his voice over was not referencing Spock's Katra (which he--or McCoy--knew nothing about until Sarek's SFS visit).

The voice over sells the assumption that he programmed the torpedo tube for a soft landing, thus the shot of the torpedo coffin tied Kirk's VO to the audience nod that Spock would not be gone for long.

Are you saying that Kirk was anticipating the resurrection of Spock's body when it soft landed on the Genesis planet?
How could he possibly do that? David didn't even know.
Why not send all the bodies down there to resurrect them and have a planet full of zombies (hey great idea for the next movie)

I just thought the VO was saying I'm coming back to see what my boy created and basically hope its pretty cool to justify the guilt over Spock's, Marcus' team and the trainees deaths.

 

[Shat Happens]

Have someone set up to fire in the transporter room as soon as they beam aboard.

Misread that as "set fire in the transporter room". It would be awesome. What would the Klingons do?

Are you saying that Kirk was anticipating the resurrection of Spock's body when it soft landed on the Genesis planet?
How could he possibly do that? David didn't even know.
Why not send all the bodies down there to resurrect them and have a planet full of zombies (hey great idea for the next movie)

Not having STIV be a movie about Saavik knocked up by Zombie Spock was the greatest lost opportunity in Star Trek. Instead we got a movie about whales.

 

[EnriqueH]

I have always liked, yet hated TSFS. I like the story, yet I hate that my favorite character, the Enterprise herself, is killed off.

Politically, the Federation must be run by complete peaceniks who are utterly incapable of a self-preserving thought. The Genesis/Mutara System is within Federation space, and even though quarantined it is such a peaceful sector that a mundane vessel such as Grissom can operate.

So, using modern terms, Genesis is in a home countries (Federation) waters. Enter the Klingons, who use a submarine to sink vessels in hostile waters and send a raiding force to claim land/capture people. If a Russian Sub were to do such an act in American waters (take a backwater/sparsely populated area like Midway Island, somewhere in the Aleutians or Alaska) it would be seen as an act of war.

Instead, the Federation suffers the loss of two naval vessels, then lets the Klingon Ambassador present his version of the event (complete with threats, release of battle footage and Genesis materials) to the Federation Council, who are acting like timid sheep until a Vulcan of all people (Sarek) has the gaul to step up to the challenge.

But anyway, back to TSFS. I've thought of so many ways that they could have done things differently instead of blasting Enterprise to Kingdom Come. As someone mentioned before, they could have used the transporters more creatively. Did these transporters not have the "scrub" that TNG had that removed weapons detected from the pattern? Scottie could have used his transporter expertise to send the Klingons to the Brig, to deep space, anywhere. Chekov despite not being an expert at Uhura's comm station should have been able to trianglulate the location of the ground party. They beamed down within a short hike of them, so they had to know where Savvik, Spock, and David were. They could have beamed them directly aboard the Enterprise then carried on the fight (manned select stations, got weapons active, etc). Since the BoP's shields were down Scottie could have beamed a chunk of matter into the antimatter tank, or he could have beamed aboard the Enterprise the BoP's "gas cap" (for lack of better terms), leaving her powerless.

Kirk and Co could have fought aboard the ship. Kruge expected opposition, thus he ordered his crew "armed heavily". Still, despite their arms, Kirk and crew had knowledge of every part of the Enterprise, their home ground. Have someone set up to fire in the transporter room as soon as they beam aboard. Fire at them in the hallways. Get additional arms from the ships arms locker to repel boarders. Hell, the Klingons had to get on a turbolift to get to the bridge, why not lock them in there, send the lift to the shuttlebay, then open the doors?

Sulu accurately guessed the compliment (about a dozen officers and men). They would have seen that the Klingons were stretched thin after eliminating the boarding party. There were not enough Klingons left (split between the BoP and the planet) to have put up a fight. Some of the Enterprise's crew could have manned a Phaser turret or rearmed the torpedo launcher, returning the ship to the fight. Scottie could have restored some control of the automation center as well.

Also, Starfleet had more than enough reason to vector additional ships ASAP to the sector. Contact had been lost with Grissom and a stolen battle-cruiser with a rogue crew was en-route. Kirk and Co could have beamed aboard Savvik and Spock, then been fighting a desperate fight against Kruge and Co onboard the Enterprise (instead of planetside), Kirk still kicks Doc Brown in the face and down a turboshaft, then the BoP is in position to fire and kill when the Cavalry arrives. Enterprise is saved, BoP is captured/destroyed and Kirk and Co go to Vulcan with Sarek (who was with the Cavalry) to end the movie.

Ha, that's funny.

A lot of that didn't occur to me.

You know what did occur to me?

The Enterprise's transporters were ALWAYS down or malfunctioning. In TSFS, the Enterprise is out of commission with no phasers, shields or engines and the only thing that still works is the transporter? Whew, that was lucky.

 

[warpusher]

Misread that as "set fire in the transporter room". It would be awesome. What would the Klingons do?

Thinking back on it that would be awesome! While Scottie is working the controls have Sulu and Chekov dousing the room with 23rd century flammable liquids. Scottie leaves and then energize. If the transporter turning on doesn't light the room, then have Kirk light a cigar before Scottie leaves...then throw it in like Hannibal from the A-Team.

Another transporter idea would be to have Kirk operate the panel...Klingons would materialize as semi-lifeless-soon-to-live-the-rest-of-their-short-lives-in-agonizing-pain blobs like Sonak did.

 

[Franklin]

I have always liked, yet hated TSFS. I like the story, yet I hate that my favorite character, the Enterprise herself, is killed off.

Politically, the Federation must be run by complete peaceniks who are utterly incapable of a self-preserving thought. The Genesis/Mutara System is within Federation space, and even though quarantined it is such a peaceful sector that a mundane vessel such as Grissom can operate.

So, using modern terms, Genesis is in a home countries (Federation) waters. Enter the Klingons, who use a submarine to sink vessels in hostile waters and send a raiding force to claim land/capture people. If a Russian Sub were to do such an act in American waters (take a backwater/sparsely populated area like Midway Island, somewhere in the Aleutians or Alaska) it would be seen as an act of war.

Instead, the Federation suffers the loss of two naval vessels, then lets the Klingon Ambassador present his version of the event (complete with threats, release of battle footage and Genesis materials) to the Federation Council, who are acting like timid sheep until a Vulcan of all people (Sarek) has the gaul to step up to the challenge.

But anyway, back to TSFS. I've thought of so many ways that they could have done things differently instead of blasting Enterprise to Kingdom Come. As someone mentioned before, they could have used the transporters more creatively. Did these transporters not have the "scrub" that TNG had that removed weapons detected from the pattern? Scottie could have used his transporter expertise to send the Klingons to the Brig, to deep space, anywhere. Chekov despite not being an expert at Uhura's comm station should have been able to trianglulate the location of the ground party. They beamed down within a short hike of them, so they had to know where Savvik, Spock, and David were. They could have beamed them directly aboard the Enterprise then carried on the fight (manned select stations, got weapons active, etc). Since the BoP's shields were down Scottie could have beamed a chunk of matter into the antimatter tank, or he could have beamed aboard the Enterprise the BoP's "gas cap" (for lack of better terms), leaving her powerless.

Kirk and Co could have fought aboard the ship. Kruge expected opposition, thus he ordered his crew "armed heavily". Still, despite their arms, Kirk and crew had knowledge of every part of the Enterprise, their home ground. Have someone set up to fire in the transporter room as soon as they beam aboard. Fire at them in the hallways. Get additional arms from the ships arms locker to repel boarders. Hell, the Klingons had to get on a turbolift to get to the bridge, why not lock them in there, send the lift to the shuttlebay, then open the doors?

Sulu accurately guessed the compliment (about a dozen officers and men). They would have seen that the Klingons were stretched thin after eliminating the boarding party. There were not enough Klingons left (split between the BoP and the planet) to have put up a fight. Some of the Enterprise's crew could have manned a Phaser turret or rearmed the torpedo launcher, returning the ship to the fight. Scottie could have restored some control of the automation center as well.

Also, Starfleet had more than enough reason to vector additional ships ASAP to the sector. Contact had been lost with Grissom and a stolen battle-cruiser with a rogue crew was en-route. Kirk and Co could have beamed aboard Savvik and Spock, then been fighting a desperate fight against Kruge and Co onboard the Enterprise (instead of planetside), Kirk still kicks Doc Brown in the face and down a turboshaft, then the BoP is in position to fire and kill when the Cavalry arrives. Enterprise is saved, BoP is captured/destroyed and Kirk and Co go to Vulcan with Sarek (who was with the Cavalry) to end the movie.

The Enterprise was going to be put out of service. This was a far better way for it to go. Metaphorically, it could also be considered the "payment" Kirk had to make for getting Spock back, considering his behavior facing the Reliant at the start of TWOK started the events leading to Spock's sacrifice on his (and the crew's) behalf in the first place. I mean this is fiction, after all, so things can be made to happen for reasons. Kirk's victories weren't coming without a price any more.

BTW, it's, "Scotty," not, "Scottie."

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Are you saying that Kirk was anticipating the resurrection of Spock's body when it soft landed on the Genesis planet?
How could he possibly do that? David didn't even know.
Why not send all the bodies down there to resurrect them and have a planet full of zombies (hey great idea for the next movie)

I just thought the VO was saying I'm coming back to see what my boy created and basically hope its pretty cool to justify the guilt over Spock's, Marcus' team and the trainees deaths.

He was not talking about the new planet in such a specific sense. Remember, his voice over was talking about "possibilities" --quoting the person he was associating with the said possibilities of the Genesis effect. The possibilities meaning:

"And if Genesis is indeed 'life from death,' I must return to this place again"

Not much about the trainees, or anything else in that dialogue, and by the late 23rd century, I think Starfleet personnel would know what it takes for a ship-launched object to avoid burning in the atmosphere.

The coffin's soft landing appears deliberate-most likely the result of a hopeful guess on Kirk's part.

 

[Timo]

Politically, the Federation must be run by complete peaceniks who are utterly incapable of a self-preserving thought.

Because they don't opt to enter a war in which billions would die because Klingons kill less than a hundred? I say go peaceniks go!

Did these transporters not have the "scrub" that TNG had that removed weapons detected from the pattern? Scottie could have used his transporter expertise to send the Klingons to the Brig, to deep space, anywhere.

That would not erase the need to beam down to the planet - because once the Klingons were disarmed, jailed, or perhaps scattered to atoms, their ship would blast the Enterprise to smithereens and kill everybody inside.

The solution our heroes come up with allows them to hurt the Klingons while, the most importantly, making themselves immune to being hurt back. Their starship can offer them no protection, so they choose a better citadel down below.

Chekov despite not being an expert at Uhura's comm station should have been able to trianglulate the location of the ground party. They beamed down within a short hike of them, so they had to know where Savvik, Spock, and David were.

Every hike on Genesis is probably fairly short: the horizon seems to be within spitting distance whenever it is visible! But yes, they could have tried to locate the planetside hostages and their holders.

But beaming them up would give the same overall result: the Klingon ship would kill everybody within seconds. There was no way the starship could win the fight - this was a well-founded plot premise. The ship was seriously damaged in the first place, was ridiculously undercrewed, and then got fired upon. End of that particular game.

We might decide to change that premise, so a different adventure would result. But that doesn't create a fault in the adventure we actually got, nor do I think that there would be much room for improvement.

Since the BoP's shields were down Scottie could have beamed a chunk of matter into the antimatter tank, or he could have beamed aboard the Enterprise the BoP's "gas cap" (for lack of better terms), leaving her powerless.

Only during the first few seconds when both sides wondered why the other side wasn't killing them yet. After that, transporter trickery would only get our heroes killed.

Kirk and Co could have fought aboard the ship. Kruge expected opposition, thus he ordered his crew "armed heavily". Still, despite their arms, Kirk and crew had knowledge of every part of the Enterprise, their home ground. Have someone set up to fire in the transporter room as soon as they beam aboard. Fire at them in the hallways. Get additional arms from the ships arms locker to repel boarders. Hell, the Klingons had to get on a turbolift to get to the bridge, why not lock them in there, send the lift to the shuttlebay, then open the doors?

This wouldn't help, because once the boarding party failed, the Klingons back on the ship would simply kill everybody. Kruge wanted Genesis, sure - but he already had Genesis scientists, and killing Kirk in a big spatial conflagration would be only minimally inferior to killing Kirk in an honorable duel after torturing him to within an inch of his life.

Some of the Enterprise's crew could have manned a Phaser turret or rearmed the torpedo launcher, returning the ship to the fight. Scottie could have restored some control of the automation center as well.

Given half an hour, perhaps. Kruge didn't give them two minutes.

Also, Starfleet had more than enough reason to vector additional ships ASAP to the sector. Contact had been lost with Grissom and a stolen battle-cruiser with a rogue crew was en-route. Kirk and Co could have beamed aboard Savvik and Spock, then been fighting a desperate fight against Kruge and Co onboard the Enterprise (instead of planetside), Kirk still kicks Doc Brown in the face and down a turboshaft, then the BoP is in position to fire and kill when the Cavalry arrives. Enterprise is saved, BoP is captured/destroyed and Kirk and Co go to Vulcan with Sarek (who was with the Cavalry) to end the movie.

Umm, the Enterprise valiantly fights for all of the sixty-eight seconds she can, and then the cavalry arrives? That's an incredible coincidence - Kirk prior to the engagement had not been worried in the slightest that Starfleet units would be reaching him any time soon.

I say what we got was both much better drama and significantly more plausible.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Shat Happens]

Misread that as "set fire in the transporter room". It would be awesome. What would the Klingons do?

Thinking back on it that would be awesome! While Scottie is working the controls have Sulu and Chekov dousing the room with 23rd century flammable liquids.(...) then have Kirk light a cigar before Scottie leaves...then throw it in like Hannibal from the A-Team.

Great, now I hate ST:III for not being like this.

And ST:IV and V for not having Zombie Spock's baby

 

[mos6507]

I really would like to see some alternate universe where some people's alternate (i.e. more plausible) plot ideas could be realized. Based on the ideas I'm seeing here, you'd wind up with conflict-free movies that are shortened down to 3-minutes. Kind of the film equivalent of an expert-gamer racing through a mission without making a single error. Boring.

 

[Smellmet]

TSFS is a great trek movie - the best character interactions before we started to laugh at them, but with some great humor still, decent effects for the time, loads of loss and emotion for the big three, one of the absolute best scenes in all twelve movies with the stealing of the Enterprise (and her actual destruction) all underpinned by one of the very best scores of the franchise. Bar the slow ending what's not to like?

Odd movie curse? Pah!

 

[Leto_II]

Why did Kirk need to visit Genesis anyway?

Surely they just needed to go to Vulcan to get Spock's katra out of McCoy.

Kirk didn't know anything about Spock's body. In fact until half-way through the movie it was MIA.

Initially Kirk can't have been searching for Spock's corpse. Sarek never mentioned needing the body at all, did he?
Why didn't Kirk just book a shuttle for Vulcan instead of involving Morrow? Nothing wrong with visiting Vulcan with your good friend Dr McCoy.

This whole bit of plot-logic would've been fixed, had the released film been edited according to the scene-sequence in the screenplay -- the first scene in the movie was supposed to have been the USS Grissom arriving at Genesis and then discovering Spock's casket on the surface; the opening log-entry by Admiral Kirk (as the Enterprise slowly limps home) originally contained an extra line of dialogue on this subject:

The entire movie was drastically recut at the eleventh hour by Nimoy and Bennett when it was realized that the film's structure (which appeared to work fine on the printed page) did not translate particularly well, in terms of pacing, on celluloid.

Thus, while very little was actually cut from the picture, practically every single scene got shifted and relocated in the edit; as mentioned above, the movie was intended to begin with the Grissom survey, but instead ended up starting with Kirk's log-entry aboard the Enterprise. And as a result, the line revealing Kirk's knowledge of Spock's torpedo-discovery had to be deleted, and it now seems that Kirk's entire notion of returning to Genesis is unnecessary at best in the final edit.

For those interested in how the film might have been, the DC Comics adaptation of the story actually uses the original screenplay-ordering of the scenes (beginning with the Grissom, Saavik, and David Marcus), and the screenplay can be read here.