Just saw Star Trek VI for the first time in a decade.
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Anthony
Lieutenant Commander
Thank you for this opportunity.
The reason the writers and producers of STVI ignored these so-called "established details" from TNG is simple: What the *^%$ did they care about infringing upon and otherwise invalidating anything regarding characters and situations that were not only created and explored in "TOS," but took place almost 100 years BEFORE said "TNG" took place? What is TNG [except in your mind] that Meyer or anyone else felt the need to address these grievances? Obviously, if they thought they were bound by it, why, I guess they wouldn't have done it because the studio heads would've nixed it, right? So, I guess you might say, that they didn't give a &^%$ about what it'd established. Can't get much clearer than that, can one?
What is TNG, DS9, VOY or ENT that "TOS" should be bound by anything they established? Great oaks grow from the bottom up, not the top down.
Think you're outraged now, just wait. More likely than not, compared to what Abrams has in store, [despite K&O's half-baked PR] what Meyer did in TUC's going to seem really tame in comparison when all is said and done. You'll be lucky if the rest even survive the timeshift.
What do general audiences care about crap like that UNLESS they know what they're looking for? Which, UNLESS they'd watched the other Series, would be the only way they'd know these other "established details" ever existed. I'm betting that almost 99% never have, and don't give a %^$# one way or another. All they know are two words: Kirk. Spock. That's all that matters in the end, unfortunately for you.
Think about that.
Best TOS movie I think, along side TWOK
Worst bits (been mentioned) were the scenes where the crew were made to look stupid; Chekov not knowing about a weapon alarm and Uhura not knowing even passable Klingon.
The thing I didnt like when I found out about it was they gave all of the lines that could have been considered racist to Chekov because Nichols refused to say them...something best left though she obviously didnt want to be seen that way, after all black people can not be racist.
Worst bits (been mentioned) were the scenes where the crew were made to look stupid; Chekov not knowing about a weapon alarm and Uhura not knowing even passable Klingon.
The thing I didnt like when I found out about it was they gave all of the lines that could have been considered racist to Chekov because Nichols refused to say them...something best left though she obviously didnt want to be seen that way, after all black people can not be racist.
I rather liked the movie, myself. And in regard to the way the crew acted... it's easy to say you're not racist. But deep down, they were.
Anthony
Lieutenant Commander
Yep.
I agree with Chekov's foible. But, why would you assume Uhura knew Klingon? There's a difference between being a communications expert AND a linguist.
True, to a certain degree. As for black folk not being racist, says who? And I'm not talking about Klingons, either. Explain this, please.
Now, the whole point was to illustrate the whole philosophy of ST: Despite our failings, as humans, we can rise above them and open ourselves to new posibilities. No movie illustrated that better than TUC, which is why it remains one of my all-time favorite films in any genre.
I think the comment was meant to be sarcastic.
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What do you mean? It’s a clichéd theme at best and the movie doesn’t even present it all that well.
Frankly I think ol’ Nick gets way too much credit ‘round these parts. If he was as fabulous as some make him out to be, he would have had a lot more to do in Hollywoodland.
What do you mean? It’s a clichéd theme at best and the movie doesn’t even present it all that well.
Frankly I think ol’ Nick gets way too much credit ‘round these parts. If he was as fabulous as some make him out to be, he would have had a lot more to do in Hollywoodland.
Never forget that prior to TWOK, Nick Meyer's only directorial experience had been in the (painfully) laughably putrid "The Day After" which was scientifically utterly inaccurate, dramatically a soap opera (at best), and visually (even for 1982 TV) amateurish and underwhelming.
Yet it was the "first 'serious' drama about a nuclear strike on US soil" made huge publicity. "Everyone" watched it 'cause of hype and it turned out to be, well... as utterly worthless as I just described.
IOW, Meyer was never a wunderkind (forgive the lack of umlaut). He just got kinda lucky a few times (The 7% Solution, Time After Time, TWOK, and, popularly, TUC, which I disagree with). But he didn't hit a triple or a home run with every at bat by any stretch.
Yet it was the "first 'serious' drama about a nuclear strike on US soil" made huge publicity. "Everyone" watched it 'cause of hype and it turned out to be, well... as utterly worthless as I just described.
IOW, Meyer was never a wunderkind (forgive the lack of umlaut). He just got kinda lucky a few times (The 7% Solution, Time After Time, TWOK, and, popularly, TUC, which I disagree with). But he didn't hit a triple or a home run with every at bat by any stretch.
Asking a poster to justify their opinion by what THEY'VE done is considered "trolling" in many circles, btw. 
trevanian
Rear Admiral
Kryton said:
Never forget that prior to TWOK, Nick Meyer's only directorial experience had been in the (painfully) laughably putrid "The Day After" which was scientifically utterly inaccurate, dramatically a soap opera (at best), and visually (even for 1982 TV) amateurish and underwhelming.
Yet it was the "first 'serious' drama about a nuclear strike on US soil" made huge publicity. "Everyone" watched it 'cause of hype and it turned out to be, well... as utterly worthless as I just described.
IOW, Meyer was never a wunderkind (forgive the lack of umlaut). He just got kinda lucky a few times (The 7% Solution, Time After Time, TWOK, and, popularly, TUC, which I disagree with). But he didn't hit a triple or a home run with every at bat by any stretch.
Ignoring poster resumes for the moment, let's look at accurate information instead.
Meyer made DAY AFTER just AFTER TWOK, not before it. He made TIME AFTER TIME theatrically before TWOK, and directed a TV movie before that. He was only the writer of 7percent.
Perhaps you should look at the circumstances DAY AFTER was made under -- he was replacing another director (the guy who directed THE CAGE, btw) and was having to shoot about 12 pages per day. DAY AFTER didn't hold a candle in any way to the far superior TV show with Ed Flanders, SPECIAL REPORT, but he was making it under very trying circumstances.
This is the movie's reactionary technology at work. Half a dozen people standing around Uhura attempting to find a good Klingon translation... using hardcover books from the mid-20th century. I understand that they can't use the universal translator--can't the computer at least give Uhura helpful hints?
Even Compuserve offered online dictionaries in 1991.
Along with the galleys and laundry services, I was amazed not to find oars and slaves to push them. Considering how close the Enterprise had to get to the Klingon "Bird of Prey" to fire at it, a corvus would have come in handy about then.
^To be sure, a lot of people weren't online in 1991.
trevanian
Rear Admiral
Not necessarily. Maybe pretty lousy Star Trek, with its simpleminded straighline extrapolation, but plenty of good sf incorporates steps forward AND back into their futures, and with decent justification.
But it certainly doesn't work for me in TUC. I always figured Uhura to be a cunning linguist, myself.
