Just saw Star Trek VI for the first time in a decade.
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The only thing I really like about it was that the Enterprise felt like a ship - Meyer's really good at that.
But the editing of the dinner scene and the briefing scene was choppy as hell. Came off terribly.
And there's no excuse for gratuitous Shakespeare.
But the editing of the dinner scene and the briefing scene was choppy as hell. Came off terribly.
And there's no excuse for gratuitous Shakespeare.
I still think it's easily the best Trek movie. It puts the characters to great use, has a great story and terrific pacing, and is probably the most relevant of all the Trek movies in terms of the overall Star Trek "history".
I also think it has the best score of any of the movies. A score that really helps set the stage and helps move the film along at such a great pace. It helps make the events feel as grand and important as they are.
TUC is certainly a child of its time - both in terms of the real world as well as the Trek world. It offers terrific closure to TOS and the old crew and opens things up for a new generation.
Interestingly, the people I know all love this movie. I was never aware there were so many people who were either unimpressed or actually think it's a bad movie before I came to this BBS.
There's no accounting for taste, I suppose. Speaking of which: I love the use of Shakespeare here
P.S.: I'm not saying it's a perfect movie by any means. Things that bug me most are the scene where Valeris shoots the pot to demonstrate the alarm system (which Chekov should already be aware of plus it's a nonsensical waste of material) as well as the kitchen itself which seems too much like today's kitchens for my liking.
I also think it has the best score of any of the movies. A score that really helps set the stage and helps move the film along at such a great pace. It helps make the events feel as grand and important as they are.
TUC is certainly a child of its time - both in terms of the real world as well as the Trek world. It offers terrific closure to TOS and the old crew and opens things up for a new generation.
Interestingly, the people I know all love this movie. I was never aware there were so many people who were either unimpressed or actually think it's a bad movie before I came to this BBS.
There's no accounting for taste, I suppose. Speaking of which: I love the use of Shakespeare here
P.S.: I'm not saying it's a perfect movie by any means. Things that bug me most are the scene where Valeris shoots the pot to demonstrate the alarm system (which Chekov should already be aware of plus it's a nonsensical waste of material) as well as the kitchen itself which seems too much like today's kitchens for my liking.
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Lazy writing that consisted of silly humor and a plethora of plot holes slapped together with glue made of weak, mediocre action.
This movie is so overrated.
This movie is so overrated.
Ah, but she had to use the phaser visibly and in a public area for a drama queen-ish but basically innocent reason. This way, if the search parties find the phaser used to kill Burke and Samno, she's got an alibi for the forensic analysis finding she'd fired it recently.
I've never got what people are upset about that Chang was into Shakespeare, though. It's just a bit of personality. Take it out and you have to fill up his dialogue with stuff that's, probably, not going to be as interesting.
Loved it. Chang was fantastic, the trial was great, Spock was very cool...the new bridge was great, man so much to like. And yes, some cringe inducing moments like Uhura's translation scene...but the good far outweighs the bad as far as I'm concerned. Sure, it has goofs, but so did the original series. So at it's very worst, it is like some of the worst of the original series. Works for me.
You're certainly not the only one to feel that it is very ham-fisted, the dialouge in particular. In that sense I do feel that it is kind of dumb. I think that the moral and ethical dilemas and overall "meat" to the story could've been written way better than it was.
What I find particularly strange about this film is how so many are willing to completely forgo its numerous problems because it manages to hit the right beats as a competent action film.
But it's not interesting. It's pointless and really, really annoying.
It's like Nick and Harvey got together: "Well, the villian of the story serves no real purpose except to take up space so let's make him spout random Shakespeare lines!"
"Why?"
"Why not? It'll sound cool!"
"Yeah, but there's no point to it."
"So?"
If I were Kirk, I would've painted a big, bright red "STFU!" on the front of that torpedo.
Characters long-time motivations were changed, dialogue was stiff and (in many cases) ridiculous, it blatantly diverged from TNG established details (including Klingon BLOOD COLOR and whether females could serve on the council), it was outright STUPID with the trial business and allowing them to remain in their uniforms (with that ridiculous tracking patch) in prison, not to mention the ridiculously LAME LAME LAME security on both the Klingon prison world AND at the Federation summit site.... You could navigate a Galaxy Class ship through the useless plot holes in this thing.
The only good part was that Scotty just bought a boat. Otherwise? Waste of time and a sorry ending. Meyer shot his wad on ST:II with nothing left over for this sad film.
The only good part was that Scotty just bought a boat. Otherwise? Waste of time and a sorry ending. Meyer shot his wad on ST:II with nothing left over for this sad film.
It's not necessarily a bad film...it's just not a great one either. I think it is a tad over-rated. The one thing that I can never get over and makes no sense no matter how you cut it is the fact that humans and Klingons are working together to stop humans and Klingons from working together. Um...what?!
If I did one quick re-write, I would have the Romulan guy be the one pulling all the strings (ie. the Romulans were working with the Feds and Klingons, but the Feds and Klingons didn't know the other was involved.)
If you hated that, you'll love this !
FYI: Harve Bennett had nothing to do with ST6. And before anyone gets any ideas, neither did B&B!
If I did one quick re-write, I would have the Romulan guy be the one pulling all the strings (ie. the Romulans were working with the Feds and Klingons, but the Feds and Klingons didn't know the other was involved.)
If you hated that, you'll love this !
FYI: Harve Bennett had nothing to do with ST6. And before anyone gets any ideas, neither did B&B!
trevanian
Rear Admiral
And TNG blatantly diverged from stuff that was well established on TOS (seeming to switch klingon and romulan sensibilities with respect to honor at times), and confused matters by giving Roms foreheads that vulcans didn't have (making UNIFICATION seem very awkward, since Spock undercover without a forehead is like sending Richard Pryor undercover at a white supremacist rally.)
I'm not knocking your post; I actually agree with most of it, especially the character-related stuff (for Spock & Kirk), which I felt was character assassination in the extreme. But remember that Meyer, starting with TWOK, maintained that he only held allegiance to stuff that worked for him, so he felt free to ignore anything that wasn't a benefit to his storytelling. Clearly they needed a story point made with the klingon blood color, so continuity wasn't going to be a sticking point for him.
Takes a bunch of characters who for the previous 25 years had been all about going boldly, strange new worlds, tolerance, the wonder of the strange and new, and turned them into a bunch of racist bigots just to make a point.
"Guess who's coming to dinner" indeed!
"Guess who's coming to dinner" indeed!
Good Will Riker
Admiral
Bustin' Loose. That was a hilarious Richard Pryor film.
