Just for fun - recasting classic villains for sequels

[SpockWeed]

As I've mentioned before, the trouble with bringing back Khan is that the temporal changes from this movie don't go back far enough to explain away the Eugenics Wars.

Once the 1990s came and went w/o any Eugenics Wars, Khan was already part of the Trek Prime canon, so most of us had no trouble continuing to accept him as such. But if Abrams were to reintroduce Khan to the reboot canon, he'd have to either (a) explain to filmgoers how Khan could have come from an era that's in our past, but events that never happened, or (b) rewrite Khan so that he is effectively someone else, a product of some other Eugenics Wars that take place sometime between the year of the film's release (i.e. 2011/2012) and the year Kirk was born (2233).

Come to think of it, (b) could actually work. They could even give nuKhan a different full name to differentiate him from Khan Noonien Singh; usually they called Khan Singh just plain Khan anyway, so they could do that with nuKhan too and most people would get the idea.

Why would they have to write out the Eugenics War because it didn't happen in the real world? That's a stupid reason. Besides, who is to say that such a war won't happen? Seriously, just because it didn't happen for real doesn't mean it has to be written out of Trek lore. If anything, the Eugenics War is good for Star Trek, shows the struggle of humanity to improve itself from the devastating wars throughout its history.

I agree, the Eugenics Wars are part of the NuTrek timeline, regardless if it happened in the real world. The Botnay Bay is out there whether nuEnterprise finds it or not. Just like Vger.

 

[Braxton]

Why would they have to write out the Eugenics War because it didn't happen in the real world? That's a stupid reason.

Because Star Trek has historically tried to maintain a strong connection between our real history and real present, and the fictional future it proposes. Bringing back Khan in a post-reboot movie, with his original backstory from a fictional 1990s left intact, would tie the fictional future to a fictional past and break that connection.

Besides, who is to say that such a war won't happen? Seriously, just because it didn't happen for real doesn't mean it has to be written out of Trek lore. If anything, the Eugenics War is good for Star Trek, shows the struggle of humanity to improve itself from the devastating wars throughout its history.

Yes, such a war could happen... but it can't happen in the 1990s. Like I said, it would have to be "moved" to a later date, but the Khan who comes out of that war would be quite a different person from the Khan we saw who would have come out of the 1990s.

I understand Star Trek has gone to great lengths to keep itself connected to our history. However, that's impossible when you're 'guessing' about the 1990s in the 1960s. So what are you going to say when April 5th, 2063 comes and there is no Zefram Cochrane that creates warp travel and the Vulcans don't land in Montana? The Eugenics War is a part of Star Trek. If they were to nix it, they'd have to retcon Enterprise as well because of the references in that series.

 

[martin]

One of the issues of re-doing Wrath of Kahn is two fold. Firstly we generally know the outcome, of what happens. They could change the ending, but without Spock's Sacrafice, it just wouldnt be poignent enough.

Also, the events of Space Seed would have to be worked into it. And there isn't enough time to have them stumble across Kahn, strand him, his wife, and crew, then revisit them years later without undermining the huge gap between Space Seed and Wrath of Kahn originally.

Now, if they wanted to do something like that, they could call back to the destruction of the Kelvin. What if a Starfleet officer had lost his Wife on the Kelvin, because she was too late to get to a shuttle, or unable to.

This officer, who could be an admiral now, might decide to take revenge on Kirk, for his father's actions. And this could lead to a personal revenge story in the same vein as WoK.

Personally I think we need a 2 film arc to setup something like this. A new member of the Enterprise crew, suffers in the line of duty in Film 2, and becomes the antagonist of Film 3. But it shouldn't be a copy of Kahn, because that is where Nemesis failed, and it will always be compared to the original. The thing about Lost and Fringe, is that there is a slow build up of a mystery, and this is something I would like to see developed from Film 2 to Film 3, but we must never see it coming.


After all, who thought we would see Kahn again after Space Seed...

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Terry O'Quinn as Colonel Green

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Ian McKellan as some sort of Eugenics dictator.

Marc Alaimo as Kor.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Khan - Naveen Andrews

Bah, I wanted to be the one to say it first!!!

For Trelaine, I nominate Adrian Pasdar.

 

[T'Paul]

Richard Simmons - Khan

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Khan = I think it'd be funny to once again use a Hispanic actor who doesn't remotely look or sound like someone from India. Maybe Lou Diamond Phillips or Jimmy Smits.

In that case, Esai Morales is our guy.

And while we're on the subject, how about John Leguizamo as Harry Mudd? Who says he has to be a fat old hog?

We need to find more Romulans, to play various roles. How about:

William Fitchner
Tobias Menzies
Elizabeth Mitchell (not as a blonde tho - no reminders of Sela!!!)
Zach Levi (I'm not kidding - I think he could make a kick-ass villain)

Another good candidate for Trelaine is Armie Hammer (Morgan on Reaper).