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Just for fun - recasting classic villains for sequels

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Now that we've all, or mostly, seen the new movie (for the first time, anyway), being the sort of folks who, Skywalker-like, always look to the future, we will doubtless start thinking of its sequels and the strange new worlds it opens up.

Without giving too much away for people who haven't yet seen ST or who aren't aware of its version of continuity with the original series, it doubtless opens up some possibilities for the re-using of classic villains from the original series. Sure, it's more likely that they'll create strange new bad guys and new menaces to civilisations, but who knows? If they want Klingons as the bad guys in sequels, what about Kang, Kor or Koloth? Even the biggest nuBSG fan might agree that James Callis probably isn't the man to replace John Colicos this time!

Or should the Romulans from Balance of Terror or The Romulan Incident follow in Nero's footsteps? And who would dare gnash the scenery in the style of Ricardo Montalban? What about a real Indian this time? Might it be a job for Abrams' Lost actor Naveen Andrews? Or should Zachary Quinto rope in his Heroes co-star Sendhil Ramamurthy?

Personally, I'm thinking that LXG's Captain Nemo, Naseeruddin Shah might make a suitable genetic superman. What about Ciaran Hinds as the Romulan Commander from BOT (though doesn't that role by rights belong to Ben Cross?!)?

Any thoughts folks?
 
Harry Mudd = Kevin Smith

Khan = I think it'd be funny to once again use a Hispanic actor who doesn't remotely look or sound like someone from India. Maybe Lou Diamond Phillips or Jimmy Smits.
 
The Romulan Commander from Balance of Terror could be played by new Sarek actor Ben Cross as a homage to Mark Lenard, the original Sarek actor.
 
  • Khan - Naveem Andrews (LOST)
    Harry Mudd - Phillip Seymour Hoffman or Greg Grunberg (MI:III/Everything Abrams made)
    BoT Romulan Commander - Johnny Depp
    Finnegan - James Nesbitt (BBC's Jekyll)
    Kor - Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson
    Kang - Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje ('Mr. Eko' from LOST/GIJoe)
    Koloth - Kevin Durand ('Keamy' from LOST/'The Blob' in Wolverine)
    Trelane - Eddie Izzard (The Riches)
 
Khan - Javier Bardem.

He can implant the ceti eels with the air gun from No Country for Old Men.
 
chardman said:
Harry Mudd = Kevin Smith

Khan = I think it'd be funny to once again use a Hispanic actor who doesn't remotely look or sound like someone from India. Maybe Lou Diamond Phillips or Jimmy Smits.
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Did you see that Hawaii Five-O episode where Montalban plays a Japanese thug?
 
As I've mentioned before, the trouble with bringing back Khan is that the temporal changes from this movie don't go back far enough to explain away the Eugenics Wars.

Once the 1990s came and went w/o any Eugenics Wars, Khan was already part of the Trek Prime canon, so most of us had no trouble continuing to accept him as such. But if Abrams were to reintroduce Khan to the reboot canon, he'd have to either (a) explain to filmgoers how Khan could have come from an era that's in our past, but events that never happened, or (b) rewrite Khan so that he is effectively someone else, a product of some other Eugenics Wars that take place sometime between the year of the film's release (i.e. 2011/2012) and the year Kirk was born (2233).

Come to think of it, (b) could actually work. They could even give nuKhan a different full name to differentiate him from Khan Noonien Singh; usually they called Khan Singh just plain Khan anyway, so they could do that with nuKhan too and most people would get the idea.
 
Even in TWOK, they didn't get too heavy into the details of the "Eugenics Wars". Mostly, stuff like "On Earth, two hundred years ago, I was a prince" and "a product of late 20th century genetic engineering."

If they reuse Khan, and I don't think they should, they could easily gloss over some of the specifics.

Personally, I'm just tired of villains from the past, villains from the future, and revenge driven mad men.

there have to be other stories to tell.
 
NCC74894A said:
As I've mentioned before, the trouble with bringing back Khan is that the temporal changes from this movie don't go back far enough to explain away the Eugenics Wars.

Once the 1990s came and went w/o any Eugenics Wars, Khan was already part of the Trek Prime canon, so most of us had no trouble continuing to accept him as such. But if Abrams were to reintroduce Khan to the reboot canon, he'd have to either (a) explain to filmgoers how Khan could have come from an era that's in our past, but events that never happened, or (b) rewrite Khan so that he is effectively someone else, a product of some other Eugenics Wars that take place sometime between the year of the film's release (i.e. 2011/2012) and the year Kirk was born (2233).

Come to think of it, (b) could actually work. They could even give nuKhan a different full name to differentiate him from Khan Noonien Singh; usually they called Khan Singh just plain Khan anyway, so they could do that with nuKhan too and most people would get the idea.
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Why would they have to write out the Eugenics War because it didn't happen in the real world? That's a stupid reason. Besides, who is to say that such a war won't happen? Seriously, just because it didn't happen for real doesn't mean it has to be written out of Trek lore. If anything, the Eugenics War is good for Star Trek, shows the struggle of humanity to improve itself from the devastating wars throughout its history.
 
Braxton said:
Why would they have to write out the Eugenics War because it didn't happen in the real world? That's a stupid reason.
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Because Star Trek has historically tried to maintain a strong connection between our real history and real present, and the fictional future it proposes. Bringing back Khan in a post-reboot movie, with his original backstory from a fictional 1990s left intact, would tie the fictional future to a fictional past and break that connection.

Braxton said:
Besides, who is to say that such a war won't happen? Seriously, just because it didn't happen for real doesn't mean it has to be written out of Trek lore. If anything, the Eugenics War is good for Star Trek, shows the struggle of humanity to improve itself from the devastating wars throughout its history.
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Yes, such a war could happen... but it can't happen in the 1990s. Like I said, it would have to be "moved" to a later date, but the Khan who comes out of that war would be quite a different person from the Khan we saw who would have come out of the 1990s.
 
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