Just another "what if" situation for Nemesis

[los2188]

I was thinking...dangerous, I know, but I always thought that Sela should have been in Nemesis. I know that her acting isn't top notch and all, but what if Sela was originally behind the clone idea from the start. It would seem to make sense given the events of "Yesterday's Enterprise." Here's how I imagine it...once Shinzon's character is introduced, it is quickly explained in the movie Sela was behind the clone idea just in a way to quickly inform the casual viewer the who and why. But it's also learned, as per the actual movie, that the plan was abandoned. Things still go on as it did in the movie, but instead of Commander Donatra coming to the aid of the Enterprise, it's Sela commanding the warbird Valdore because she has had a change of heart. Basically all of Donatra's scenes are replaced with Sela. My thought is that Sela realizes that without Picard doing what he did, that she would be alive and well. On kind of a side note, somehow relating that the "Yesterday's Enterprise" episode was the key to making peace with the Klingons (obviously restoring the prime timeline), but also because of Picard's actions, the seed was planted to have peace with the Romulans as well when the movie itself ends...does that make any sense?? Just a thought. I have a friend that has a bootleg copy of Nemesis that I'm going to watch in a few days. Interesting to see it.

 

[Dukhat]

I don't think Sela being in the movie would have made any difference whatsoever. However, her being in Generations instead of the Duras sisters might have been amusing.

 

[Ryan8bit]

The premise could have easily been changed, but whatever happened to the Romulan government that caused them to discard Shinzon would have probably predated Sela. Had it not, then it's likely she would not be in any kind of power. It wouldn't really be possible for her to be directly involved with Shinzon, even though that doesn't matter to the writers who didn't care for that kind of sense.

 

[starburst]

Sela doesnt have to be the creator of the plan, it could have been a Romulan who interrogated her mother or read reports of her interrogation. When learning that she was from the future they put a plan into motion to replace her eventual Captain (assuming with the changes in the timeline there would still be a Jean-Luc Picard of the Enterprise D).

This would have created a much better back story and would make sense for her to eventually come to the aid of the Enterprise.

 

[los2188]

Sela doesnt have to be the creator of the plan, it could have been a Romulan who interrogated her mother or read reports of her interrogation. When learning that she was from the future they put a plan into motion to replace her eventual Captain (assuming with the changes in the timeline there would still be a Jean-Luc Picard of the Enterprise D).

This would have created a much better back story and would make sense for her to eventually come to the aid of the Enterprise.

I really couldn't agree with you more. My thoughts were that at some point in her life, maybe towards the events of Nemesis, Sela was told by her mother Tasha, maybe something like a long lost hologram or letter of some sort, that Picard was a good man, a good Captain and the Romulans and humans need peace in order to survive. I also like the backstory idea that the events of Yesterday's Enterprise not only made the Klingons allies, but it also lead, eventually, to peace between the Federation and Romulans.

 

[Pauln6]

I would have actually preferred it if an elderly Tasha had turned up - not dead after all but living and working with the Romulan underground.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

I would have actually preferred it if an elderly Tasha had turned up - not dead after all but living and working with the Romulan underground.

Great idea!!!!

 

[R. Star]

Sela's presence in the Donatra role really wouldn't change Nemesis. The Donatra role is so vague and inconsequential you could put Sela, Tomalok or any generic Romulan captain there and the movie wouldn't be changed.

The big flaw is the space orcs who manage to build an uber death ship out of rocks and pickaxes with their clone leader.

 

[BillJ]

The big flaw is the space orcs who manage to build an uber death ship out of rocks and pickaxes with their clone leader.

Well a simple man built a warp ship in the ruins after a nuclear war. Something his species had never done before, even in the best of times.

The Remans and Shinzon had been used in the Dominion war, who knows what spoils of war they were able to smuggle back to Remus?

 

[Hartzilla2007]

The big flaw is the space orcs who manage to build an uber death ship out of rocks and pickaxes with their clone leader.

Well a simple man built a warp ship in the ruins after a nuclear war. Something his species had never done before, even in the best of times.

The Remans and Shinzon had been used in the Dominion war, who knows what spoils of war they were able to smuggle back to Remus?

Plus their friends in the Romulan military may have helped as well.

 

[BillJ]

The big flaw is the space orcs who manage to build an uber death ship out of rocks and pickaxes with their clone leader.

Well a simple man built a warp ship in the ruins after a nuclear war. Something his species had never done before, even in the best of times.

The Remans and Shinzon had been used in the Dominion war, who knows what spoils of war they were able to smuggle back to Remus?

Plus their friends in the Romulan military may have helped as well.

Yep.

I don't find it very strange that Shinzon was able to build a starship.

 

[The Overlord]

The big flaw is the space orcs who manage to build an uber death ship out of rocks and pickaxes with their clone leader.

Well a simple man built a warp ship in the ruins after a nuclear war. Something his species had never done before, even in the best of times.

The Remans and Shinzon had been used in the Dominion war, who knows what spoils of war they were able to smuggle back to Remus?

Plus their friends in the Romulan military may have helped as well.

Doesn't it seem odd that the Romulan military would help build this ship and yet there is not one Romulan officer aboard the Scimitar? It seems pretty foolish for the Romulan military just to trust Shinzon and the Remans completely and not put some of their officers on that ship to make sure everything goes according to plan.

 

[starburst]

Its possible that the Remans were a little more than the slaves to the Empire that Nemesis suggested. Its likely there was ship building on Remus and they may have even had their own ships during the course of the war which were never seen during DS9 and this was the one built in secret.

The Remans were most likely used for the most fierce fighting (just none on screen) which were intended to be suicide missions, why waste a Romulan ship or crew when lowly 'slaves' were much better fodder.

This would explain the design of the 'uber ship' and its fighting style of not only firing through a cloak but also being heavily shielded as it could be tactics and technology they developed themselves and were able to keep secret.

 

[Mage]

Sela might work, but her coming to Picard's aid does not make sense, if Shinzon killed Picard and then Earth she couldn't care less.

Now, Sela behind it all and then aiding Picard because Shinzon decided that not only would he destroy Earth, but Romulus as well... Then Sela would have a good reason to stop him. Thing is, if the E-E was badly damaged, I don't think Sela would hesitate to finish of Picard and crew.