Jurassic Park Bluray

[Mage]

So...

I'm not the kind of guy that automatically buys old movies on Bluray. Some movies are just simply digitally upscaled for a bluray, and don't really look any better then their dvd versions. Those movies, I'll happily watch as dvd on my blurayplayer, in native setting. No upscaling please. Yuck.

However, some movies and shows (for example the excellent work done on TNG) are true remasters, and look amazing.

Thus, I'm left wondering, are the Jurassic Park movies on Bluray digital upscales, or true remasters of original material?

 

[Trekker4747]

So...

I'm not the kind of guy that automatically buys old movies on Bluray. Some movies are just simply digitally upscaled for a bluray, and don't really look any better then their dvd versions. Those movies, I'll happily watch as dvd on my blurayplayer, in native setting. No upscaling please. Yuck.

However, some movies and shows (for example the excellent work done on TNG) are true remasters, and look amazing.

Thus, I'm left wondering, are the Jurassic Park movies on Bluray digital upscales, or true remasters of original material?

The 20th Anniversary Blu-Ray for JP is a true remaster and looks glorious in Blu-Ray.

 

[Mage]

So...

I'm not the kind of guy that automatically buys old movies on Bluray. Some movies are just simply digitally upscaled for a bluray, and don't really look any better then their dvd versions. Those movies, I'll happily watch as dvd on my blurayplayer, in native setting. No upscaling please. Yuck.

However, some movies and shows (for example the excellent work done on TNG) are true remasters, and look amazing.

Thus, I'm left wondering, are the Jurassic Park movies on Bluray digital upscales, or true remasters of original material?

The 20th Anniversary Blu-Ray for JP is a true remaster and looks glorious in Blu-Ray.

That's the 3D version right?

 

[JoeZhang]

Seems so:

The latest release of Jurassic Park features a new transfer; one created specifically for the movie's recent 3D conversion using a new fully restored, color-corrected 4K master of the film's original 35mm negative, all approved by director Steven Spielberg. The 3D release also boasts a new DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 surround track, which delivers a slightly fuller, more dynamic sonic experience courtesy of original sound designer Gary Rydstrom. However, the new master, new transfer and new lossless audio mix are only offered on the 3-disc set's 3D disc, which is, unfortunately for some, 3D-locked. To view the new AV presentation in 3D or 2D, a 3D display and 3D Blu-ray player (or a 3D-ready computer with a 3D Blu-ray drive) are required. The second disc in the set can be viewed on 2D home theaters, but its AV presentation is identical to its 2011 counterpart.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Jurassic-Park-3D-Blu-ray/59530/#Review

 

[Mage]

Hmm.... I have a 3D bluray-player (most are these days) but not a 3D tv, and I'm not interested in that anyway. So I guess I'm humped.

Which is odd, cause in the Netherlands I found this version:
http://www.bol.com/nl/p/jurassic-park/1002004013623762/

The text speaks of 3D only, but the image says 3D-Bluray + Bluray, so not sure now. Might have to contact that e-store and inquire.

 

[Tosk]

The remaster is a mixed bag. It was done to facilitate the 3D release, so the color timing was altered and fairly significant digital smoothing was used.

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_verg...0&hd_multiID=234&action=1&lossless=#vergleich

 

[JarodRussell]

There is a non 3D remaster (called "Ultimate Trilogy" box, the comparison pictures Tosk linked to) out there, it's absolutely brilliant.

 

[Mage]

There is a non 3D remaster (called "Ultimate Trilogy" box, the comparison pictures Tosk linked to) out there, it's absolutely brilliant.

Would that be this one?

http://www.bol.com/nl/p/jurassic-park-trilogy/9200000013711023/


*EDIT* Never mind, just read the reviews, and someone stated it's not the same as the US Ultimate Trilogy.

 

[Trekker4747]

The 3D re-release comes with a standard BD disc, it's what I have and I don't have a 3D TV.

 

[Mage]

The 3D re-release comes with a standard BD disc, it's what I have and I don't have a 3D TV.

Hm.... I suppose I could order that, and send it back of it doesn't. It would appear that sometimes releases between US and Europe can differ.

 

[Trekker4747]

The 3D re-release comes with a standard BD disc, it's what I have and I don't have a 3D TV.

Hm.... I suppose I could order that, and send it back of it doesn't. It would appear that sometimes releases between US and Europe can differ.

As a matter of fact, looking at it right now (I wrote that post at work, without access to my collection) the DVD I have has the BD, DVD, Digital Copy and "Ultraviolet" versions of the movie.

The material on the back boasts that this is a "Digitally Remastered" version, and I bought it last year when the 3D version came out shortly after the theatrical 3D re-release (it was stocked in the same display as the 3D discs.)

It's THIS COPY HERE, available at Amazon and I assume Amazon UK or similar service. IIRC, BD is region-free, or at least largely. I'd assume you should be able to get a copy of this that would suit your needs.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

The remaster is a mixed bag. It was done to facilitate the 3D release, so the color timing was altered and fairly significant digital smoothing was used.

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_verg...0&hd_multiID=234&action=1&lossless=#vergleich

I have no idea what this site is showing me.

I have the Ultimate Trilogy pack (paid $30) on blue-ray. Is there any differences that this layman would see if I compared it to the newer blu-rays?

 

[Mage]

Hmm.... I have a 3D bluray-player (most are these days) but not a 3D tv, and I'm not interested in that anyway. So I guess I'm humped.

Which is odd, cause in the Netherlands I found this version:
http://www.bol.com/nl/p/jurassic-park/1002004013623762/

The text speaks of 3D only, but the image says 3D-Bluray + Bluray, so not sure now. Might have to contact that e-store and inquire.

Quoting myself....

Anyway,checked again.... according to the info, this has two discs, which would mean a 3D and normal bluray. Considering that the release date for this one was september 2013, I think it's safe to asume that this BR version is the proper remaster, right?

 

[Mooch]

Hardly any blu-rays released in north america are DVD upscales. I have no idea where you are getting that from. Film transfers have been done in HD since long before blu-ray came out, so even if the blu-ray was sourced from the same transfer (most are), it would still look a lot better than the DVD.

No versions of Jurassic Park on blu-ray are DVD upscales.

 

[Starbreaker]

Only the 3D version of the film has been remastered, and it still got negative reviews. Pretty much all the professional reviews complain about DNR. Upscaling is something that Blu-ray players can do to give DVDs the appearance of HD. It's not something studios do to sell fake Blu-rays.

 

[Mooch]

I have the Ultimate Trilogy pack (paid $30) on blue-ray. Is there any differences that this layman would see if I compared it to the newer blu-rays?

To be clear: the 2D blu-ray in the 2013 set is the same disc as in the 2011 Ultimate set. The new "remastered" transfer is only in 3D. However, it's still not a SD upscale.

Upscaling is something that Blu-ray players can do to give DVDs the appearance of HD. It's not something studios do to sell fake Blu-rays.

Also, this. (Although small studios do sometimes, particularly in Hong Kong.)

 

[Trekker4747]

"Upscaling" does not give you an HD picture, nor is it trying too. Upscaling cannot add detail that is not there, that can only be achieved by the stuido/DVD manufacturer going back to the film's negatives and recapturing the video to get more detail.

All upscaling does is make the SD picture fill your TV screen. That's it. If not for upscaling, an SD picture on a TV would either be in a small, but clear that's probably 1/2 or 1/3 the width of your screen, box or a large but blurry box that fills the screen.

In upscaling an "average" is taken on two adjacent pixels to figure out what color to make the new pixel. Some players are better than others at this, but it's still very different to make a highly educated deduction on the color of this pixel and actually knowing what color that pixel is.

Upscaling does not add High-Definition detail so High-Definition it does not make.

It simply is a way for an SD picture to better fill an HD screen.

 

[JarodRussell]

But in CSI...

 

[Mage]

I'm sorry, I realize I misunderstood something for a while now.

What I mean with upscaling by studios, is when the remaster isn't actually using the original material to create a HD version, but simply digitally remastering. I understood somewhere once that that is also a form of upscaling. I realize now that I was wrong.

 

[Trekker4747]

But in CSI...

That's sort of a different thing and while police procedurals take the "enhance" idea to ridiculous extremes it *does* sort of have some logic behind it. An analog camera captures everything it sees to pretty darn fine detail, remember every movie made up until pretty recently was filmed with an analog camera where these high-detail DVDs and BDs come from.

But a lot of the detail is just lost in the noise of the camera and the limits of the system reading the film/analog recording source and in the limits of the screen showing it.

Real investigators have managed to take a blurry image from, say, an ATM security camera and find hidden details and information, like license plate numbers, of stuff going on in the background by using computer software that can remove the noise of the analog source and sharpen the details into a digital format.

Again, it's not to such ridiculous extremes as shown in cop shows and movies and the result is hardly ideally perfect but it can be "done." Even if the analog source is something as dubious as a videotape.