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Journalism and "Superman: Earth One"

Forget the wording as to whether or not he implies it wasn't an internal monologue.

Who interviews themselves? Is Clark Kent going to ask the hard questions and is he going to press Superman on them when he gives him a non-answer?

"Incidentally," Superman confidnetally told me, "I think your paper is the best publication in Metropolis and that you in particular are a rising star. I have nothing but respect for the sheer accuracy and decency of your work which is why I gave you this exclusive interview."
"And you're the handsomest superhero I've ever met", I replied. "Way handsomer then that Richard guy Lois Lane is dating, not to mention more caring, compassionate - a more stylish dresser..."
"Well now that's not fair, Clark. I may be perfect in every way but I respect Lois' right to reject my Adonis-like sculpted body and formidable prowess for a lesser mortal." I was awed at Superman's magnamity and generosity as he said this; truly, a prince of men and a king of princes and an emperor to kings and a God to emperors.

Really it's both easier and more dramatically interesting for him to be interviewed by Lois.

Parker, how ever do you keep getting these great shots?

Exactly.
 
The closest thing I know of in reality is sock puppets - people defending themselves while claiming to be an admirer.

And sock puppetry just seems beneath the Man of Steel to me.
 
Originally, Superman's job at the Daily Planet wasn't for personal gain. He didn't need money, he needed access to information so that he could help people quickly.

Yeah, it makes sense for Peter Parker to be a photographer. He always needs money. It works great in the context of his universe. He's insecure both personally and financially. Superman is always secure. He's practically invulnerable and never needs money. Being a journalist is actually to further himself as Superman, not to profit personally.

You know one thing I liked about Superman Returns is that Clark Kent was given the job of reporting a seemingly unimportant story that turns out to be something of some relevance as it's part of the bad guy's scheme.. while everyone else was working on the Superman story. I really think it works better if Lois is the one reporting Superman stories and Clark Kent would be reporting things which don't overlap with his spandex costuming... if not just for journalistic ethics, but that always getting the scoop raises flags about his thinly veiled true identity.

I agree, plus it makes for a more interesting story. It plays up the Clark Kent role to its fullest and separates the two. When he's Clark Kent, he's trying to fit into an alien world and look out for everyone around him. Keeping his secret safe should be a priority, not something he can be glib about.
 
So either Clark left people to die in the rubble while he conducted an interview with himself or he simply made it up later but with the same impact, to make Superman look like an asshole who'd stop to give a newspaper interview rather than helping people.

Sounds like the Silver Age. :lol:
 
What's the problem here? It's clear to me that the dichotomy between Clark Kent and Superman is more profound than a simple secret identity ... Superman is a super-powered Boy Scout, and Clark Kent is a double-crossing, unethical jerk; a passive-aggressive ass who doesn't care about journalistic integrity or the careers of his colleagues.

Kal-el is a troubled man who can live with himself only because he saves the planet every week.
 
In essence, so I gather, Clark inserted himself into the report -- something that's journalistically questionable in and of itself -- as a figure in the narrative alongside Superman. The only way that isn't deliberate journalistic fraud is if he's delusional and actually believes he's two people, which is a whole lot scarier.
I'm reminded of Edmund Morris' biography of Ronald Reagan, Dutch. As with all of Morris' work, it's a gorgeous work of prose, and his scholarship is beyond reproach.

There's just one thing, though.

Morris wrote himself into Reagan's life story as a character, someone who knew Reagan all the way back and whose life and career intersected with Reagan across the decades.

Morris, of course, wasn't a contemporary of Reagan at all; he wasn't born in the same decade, let alone on the same continent.

There's a reason why Morris did this, however. It was to comment on Reagan's life, the vacuity of it, the shallowness of it. People who had known Reagan for decades admitted that they never really knew him, and Morris' research never really brought Reagan into focus. By becoming a character in Reagan's life story, by being a viewpoint character basically, Morris' reader could feel the same sense of confusion that Morris, the writer, felt in researching Reagan.

It's a fairly interesting conceit for a biography, and Morris is a gifted enough writer to make it work and it works beautifully, but it's a literary technique he's not repeated. His Teddy Roosevelt biographies are far more conventional, and I'm looking forward to reading the just-released third (and concluding) volume, Colonel Roosevelt.
 
Originally, Superman's job at the Daily Planet wasn't for personal gain. He didn't need money, he needed access to information so that he could help people quickly.

A friend suggested that Clark shouldn't be inherently good at journalism. He has to work hard at it, which is why it intrigues him so much and why he passionately wants to do it.
 
"Smallville" should have had more episodes of Clark and Lois investigating news stories than they did. Now it's become a injoke this season that Clark and Lois share by-lines implicating that Clark doesn't really do that much of the work between the two of them on the show, which is true and reinforces my point. We've barely seen him "go after" a story on his own. It's almost as if on "Smallville" the Daily Planet has just become a grandiose plot point. Not to mention the fact that he was pretty much forced there in the first place and there was no gradual transition.
 
I think it's worth pointing out that Clark isn't as much as a boy scout as he's often thought of. Ignoring for a second the basic conceit of just about any superhero story; let's not forget that the character is a vigilante. He breaks the letter of the law every time he puts on the cape. So, bending the rules of journalistic integrity in order to get his foot in the door at the Planet, while at the same time issuing his own press release shouldn't be too much of a bother to him.

Also, in the context of Earth One, remember that this guy was willing to (among other things) become a professional athlete to financially support his mother. While the ends would certainly be just, the means by which he would have achieved them would have meant eclipsing others who may have work hard their whole lives and maybe beating someone out of a position that sees that person's hopes and dreams in flames. OK he didn't do it, but it wasn't because of any moral objection, it was because he perceived journalism as a more noble pursuit.

In a way I rather like Clark better like this. He's a person, not some impossible example of righteousness and (genetics aside) he's still a part of the human race.
 
For whatever reason "Superman: Earth One" seems to have incited a great deal of hostility and criticism from Superman fans alike. I thought it was decent, but not worth the hype and the hoodie thing was just plain silly. I can only imagine what people will look to bash in Geoff Johns "Batman: Earth One" when that comes out, hopefully next year.
 
I remember the old Fliesher cartoons, Clark would often times scoop Lois. It was kind of a running joke. "How did you get the story before me Clark, you showed up late?" That type of thing. Clark would reply," Oh Lois, I have my sources." ;),;) I never saw it as him bieng an asshole or anything.


Yeah, people are really over-thinking this. The whole "Clark scoops Lois on Superman stories" gag is about as old as the character itself.

I realize that JMS brought a little of this on himself with his typical, pompous, declarations of how much more "realistic" this particular version of a flying man who fools everyone by wearing glasses was going to be.

However, at some point, you just need to accept the premises that make the character who and what he is or admit to yourself that you should probably not be reading Superman comic books at your age.
 
I think it's worth pointing out that Clark isn't as much as a boy scout as he's often thought of. Ignoring for a second the basic conceit of just about any superhero story; let's not forget that the character is a vigilante. He breaks the letter of the law every time he puts on the cape. So, bending the rules of journalistic integrity in order to get his foot in the door at the Planet, while at the same time issuing his own press release shouldn't be too much of a bother to him.

Also, in the context of Earth One, remember that this guy was willing to (among other things) become a professional athlete to financially support his mother. While the ends would certainly be just, the means by which he would have achieved them would have meant eclipsing others who may have work hard their whole lives and maybe beating someone out of a position that sees that person's hopes and dreams in flames. OK he didn't do it, but it wasn't because of any moral objection, it was because he perceived journalism as a more noble pursuit.

In a way I rather like Clark better like this. He's a person, not some impossible example of righteousness and (genetics aside) he's still a part of the human race.

I've never seen Superman as the complete "Boy Scout." My favorite iteration of the character has always been the Golden Age version, and all the various offshoots of that (Earth Two Superman, New Frontier Superman, the Fleischer animated and George Reeves in the first season of Adventures).

The Superman, and Clark Kent, who was more of a social crusader and who was more vigilante than boy scout.

That being said, JMS here has Clark become Superman and journalist because of some pedantic speech uttered by Jim (not Jimmy) Olsen about "We'd die for the truth" — causing him to perceive, as you said, journalism as a more noble pursuit.

Nevertheless, he then has Clark snag his job by not just bending journalistic integrity, but by obliterating it (and stealing a gag from John Byrne in the process). I only hope that there are some consequences to this in the sequel. It seems JMS was setting something up like that when Perry told Clark that "from now on everything we print has to be 100% vetted."

As Earth Two Wonder Woman pointed out in Infinite Crisis, "Even a Superman can make a mistake."

And to be fair, there were touches I did enjoy in Earth One — the rocketship being an AI and the Smallville flashbacks. But, in the end, I felt JMS merely rearranged 20 years worth of reboot ideas and didn't bring a whole lot of originality or realism to the table on this one.
 
However, at some point, you just need to accept the premises that make the character who and what he is or admit to yourself that you should probably not be reading Superman comic books at your age.

But who would read them otherwise? kids certainly don't (not in any great numbers).
 
^ Exactly and why shouldn't an adult be able to still enjoy something he/she did as a kid? Just because society doesn't accept that?
 
^ Exactly and why shouldn't an adult be able to still enjoy something he/she did as a kid? Just because society doesn't accept that?

No reason at all.

However, there's also no reason that childrens' stories and entertainment should be deformed or made to conform to the tastes and demands of grown-ups in order to continue to feed their enthusiasm.

Superman is about a baby shot in a rocket from another planet, who can fly and lift whole worlds and see through walls with special vision. Nothing can hurt him. When he changes his clothes no one recognizes him. He often has a flying dog. How sophisticated do you have a right to expect such stories to be?

I enjoyed sharing the early Oz stories, and Winnie the Pooh, and Sneetches And Other Stories with my kids because I had loved these things as a child and still did. It certainly did not cross my mind that Seuss not revising or updating his stories to represent a more nuanced portrayal of race relations constituted a failure of any kind on his part.

If you can enjoy this stuff in the way that a child does, then great. Otherwise move on or just get used to disappointment.
 
Well, Johns writes better comics than jms. This is not a surprise.

I would put up Babylon 5 and Midnight Nation against anything Geoff Johns has written. John's writing can be enjoyable, but I can't think of one thing he's written that I would want to re-read.

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However, there's also no reason that childrens' stories and entertainment should be deformed or made to conform to the tastes and demands of grown-ups in order to continue to feed their enthusiasm.

They've already given a reason. Adults read these comics. Kids don't...
 
Well, Johns writes better comics than jms. This is not a surprise.

I would put up Babylon 5 and Midnight Nation against anything Geoff Johns has written.

Good for you. I wouldn't.

However, there's also no reason that childrens' stories and entertainment should be deformed or made to conform to the tastes and demands of grown-ups in order to continue to feed their enthusiasm.

They've already given a reason. Adults read these comics. Kids don't...

That's pathetic.

Kids do read Superman, BTW. That no one reads expensive format comics in sufficient numbers for the comfort of the publishers is unfortunate but no tragedy. If the comics industry implodes tomorrow the popular characters will continue in other media.
 
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