At least the women will kick ass.
Bet's on who Eliza Dushku or Summer Glau would play?
Bet's on who Eliza Dushku or Summer Glau would play?
Joss Whedon in final negotiations to direct "The Avengers"
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I can see Summer as Wasp.
I like this possibility a lot, and my interest in the movie has risen as a result.
It makes sense. Joss Whedon has major talent, but his career Hollywood-wise has been in a slump lately so he was probably much more affordable than some other directors with more action movies under their belts. Since Marvel Studios is a young movie company they probably have less money to work with than older studios, so they needed to find a talented bargain. And they did (assuming negotiations work out).
It makes sense. Joss Whedon has major talent, but his career Hollywood-wise has been in a slump lately so he was probably much more affordable than some other directors with more action movies under their belts. Since Marvel Studios is a young movie company they probably have less money to work with than older studios, so they needed to find a talented bargain. And they did (assuming negotiations work out).
BlackestPanther
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Storm: Do you know what happens when a toad gets hit by lightning?
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Storm: The same thing that happens to everything else.
-Joss Whedon
I rest my case.
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Storm: The same thing that happens to everything else.
-Joss Whedon
I rest my case.
That's a horrible example. That line was directed all wrong. Storm (Halle Berry) was supposed to play it deadpan, but instead she played it straight and serious. It would have been a decent line had Singer directed Berry correctly. It's a great example of how something can appear much different when spoken verses on the paper. It's all about the execution.
BlackestPanther
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It's a shitty line with any direction and you know better.
Okay, so one line of dialogue makes Whedon an inadequate director? I'm confused here.
BlackestPanther
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Of course not, but it's the epitome of what his overall problem is. Too much focus on witty dialogue that falls flat.
His dialogue doesn't fall flat most of the time, hence, his success.
BlackestPanther
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What success? A string of cancelled shows? Way to go.
That's entirely subjective. You can't use the basis of one line against an impressive litany of work that spans hundreds of hours of television. His witty dialogue may fall flat for you, but it clearly works for others. I mean, that's a really simplistic analysis.
To say that his entire run of Angel didn't also include intricate storytelling and expansive, well-developed characters is entirely too dismissive. He's not just about delivering witty dialogue -- that's one of his trademarks -- but he also knows how to handle ensembles, proven by his many years in television, and he knows a thing or two about mixing the supernatural with the realistic, which is very important when handling The Avengers.
BlackestPanther
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Worked so well for everyone that EVERY series he's had since Buffy was canceled early. Again, way to go. The guy shot his wad after Buffy season 4 and hasn't had much in the tank since.
Angel actually got better when he left, IMHO. But, again, another series canceled before its time. Are we seeing a pattern here? The common denominator in all of his failed TV efforts is him.
He's known for making the attempt, sure. Sometimes it pays off, certainly, but, most of the time, he's just trying to sound angsty. It's old hat now.
Proven by his string of canceled series?
The Avengers are not supernatural.
Ok, apparently some people have an axe to grind against Whedon. Big news.
Thor seems pretty supernatural to me.
A series getting cancelled after five seasons is hardly a sign of failure.
The others weren't as successful, to be sure. So what? Nobody produces nothing but smash-hits.
BlackestPanther
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While everyone else wants to suck his cock. Big news.
Oooh, you are so angst-y and edge-y. Are you sure you are not written by Joss himself?
Plus, your remark would go well with people accusing him of a "gay agenda".
Plus, your remark would go well with people accusing him of a "gay agenda".
Fox shares a good deal of the blame for Firefly and Dollhouse's cancellations. Again, you're simplifying this far too much just to paint Whedon in a certain light. Angel lasted five seasons, and Dollhouse lasted two, but a big reason why Firefly got canceled was attributable to Fox's lackluster marketing campaign. It isn't the work Whedon produces -- it's the inability to properly market his work.
Angel really strengthened in the final season. Connor, Fred, Wesley, Gunn, Lorne, etc., were all more interesting characters because of it.
Again, Firefly is the only real example here. Dollhouse managed to stay alive as long as Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles. Was that a bad show? No.
The film deals with bringing a Norse God into contemporary times. Sounds pretty supernatural to me.
BlackestPanther
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True, and I don't hate all of his work. I thought Buffy season 3 and 4 were very good and 5 had its moments. Ever since then, however, he seems to have gotten caught up so much in the style of Josh Whedon that he's lost the ability to actually sit down and write something compelling.
Maybe its that I'm not in the targeted ethnic group of of the Whedonverse, maybe it's that I've gotten older and realized that he's much more shallow than I had originally realized. I don't know, but if you were to show me any other director who had to fight just to keep every series he has had in recent memory on the air, I'd be very leery of trusting him with one of my flagship franchises.
And, Jackson, SCC was a shitty show. And you know it. Now you're just reaching.
So I can't like a show now without it seeming like I am "reaching"? Ever heard of a "different opinion"?
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