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John Stewart slams MSNBC, CBS, Fox News and CNN for ignoring Ron Paul

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I wonder if people would even watch a legitimate news channel.

They would if there actually was one.
Corporations sell what people buy. The most money is to be made by appealing to the lowest denominator. News is no different.

I mean has there, in the history of man, been a news organization or group that was completely without bias and NEVER tried to promote an agenda?
Probably not. But it used to be that there were news organizations that took pride in their profession and did their best to present impartial facts. Today's news media is just a circus-- and Wolf Blitzer is the carnival barker. :rommie:
 
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They would if there actually was one.
Is it even possible?

I mean has there, in the history of man, been a news organization or group that was completely without bias and NEVER tried to promote an agenda?

That's a serious question BTW. I really have no idea one way or the other.
I would guess the BBC comes as close as any, and certainly aims to do that.

CNN tries to play it down the middle...but to avoid any look of bias they're so non-confrontational that they don't challenge known lies and let people get away with saying whatever they want. They also (under the guise of journalism) have both sides of whatever argument on regardless how retarded one side is.

"Is the Earth flat? We'll hear from both sides after this."

That isn't what journalism or news is. It's not about being fair, it's about telling the truth.
 
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circus-- and Wolf Blitzer is the carnival barker. :rommie:
He's too monotone to bark at anyone.

And that name ... His parents must have been fans of Hitler's wacky secret weapon projects.
 
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As a major Ron Paul supporter, I think this is awesome. I might not agree with Stewart on everything, but he did an amazing job here. Well done, sir. Well done. :techman:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/m...corn-polled-edition---ron-paul---the-top-tier

Edit to Add - I would just post the video, instead of the link, but I only know how to do that with YouTube videos. Sorry.

Meh, I love Stewart but I think he's all wet on this one. The so called "main stream media," ignored Ralph Nader when he used to run as well. And Nader was the Democrats version of Paul at one time.

Did Nader finish second in a poll between candidates of a major party? The problem is, although Nader might poll 5% nationwide, that's not the same league. Paul isn't running as a third party. If he could pull off Iowa (and second place finisher last time Mike Huckabee did just that), he becomes a credible candidate for the nomination. If he's the nomination, he's a credible candidate for President.

Once again, that's a little bit like the house that Jack built, but that at least makes him more worthy of mention than a third party candidate. I mean, how is Ron Paul less credible of a candidate right now than Rick Santorum. When it comes to the results of the straw poll, Paul did far more favorably.
 
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Corporations sell what people buy. The most money is to be made by appealing to the lowest denominator. News is no different.

If corporations sell only crap, people will buy crap. What they would actually prefer to have is of no importance to the corporation.
 
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If corporations sell only crap, people will buy crap. What they would actually prefer to have is of no importance to the corporation.
And as long as said people are being force-fed that crap, they'll continue to gobble it up. They'll continue to do so in ignorance because they've never seen an alternative menu.
 
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CNN tries to play it down the middle...but to avoid any look of bias they're so non-confrontational that they don't challenge known lies and let people get away with saying whatever they want. They also (under the guise of journalism) have both sides of whatever argument on regardless how retarded one side is.

"Is the Earth flat? We'll hear from both sides after this."


That isn't what journalism or news is. It's not about being fair, it's about telling the truth.
the BBC has been accused of this as well. The problem comes when governmeant types want to ignore scientific fact, and then call the BBC bias when it reports said facts.
 
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Ron Paul should be ignored. His ignorant rants espousing discredited theories about gold-based market has dragged the economic debate even deeper into the gutter.
 
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^ Yeah, cause the mainstream theories that "discredited" him are doing such a wonderful job. :rolleyes:

It wasn't the gold standard that caused the crisis.
 
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That's hardly an impressive argument considering it might well have made things much, much worse (yes, it can always get worse). I do think his views (including foreign policy) have wide enough support to deserve being taken at least halfway seriously though, especially when all kinds of nutjobs get such enormous coverage in the US (evolution-/global warming-deniers, homophobes, islamophobes, etc.) Is it crazier to believe the earth is 6000 years old than to believe the USA should pull back it's soldiers from oversee's? I would say so.
 
Re: John Stewart slams MSNBC, CBS, Fox News and CNN for ignoring Ron P

Corporations sell what people buy. The most money is to be made by appealing to the lowest denominator. News is no different.

If corporations sell only crap, people will buy crap. What they would actually prefer to have is of no importance to the corporation.

Well, what people want (in the aggregate) is. Say what you will, their desire to increase share value often involves trying to predict market forces (i.e., what people will buy).
 
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The reason Paul should be ignored is because he has said stuff like this:

order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks
I don't care how he (or anyone else) spins it; it's not presidential.

I know it gets brought up all the time.
I know the horse is long dead.

The problem is, it should have been the ended the discussion a long time ago.
 
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^^ The media gives lots of attention to other nutjobs who are just as bad.

If corporations sell only crap, people will buy crap. What they would actually prefer to have is of no importance to the corporation.
And as long as said people are being force-fed that crap, they'll continue to gobble it up. They'll continue to do so in ignorance because they've never seen an alternative menu.
That's a good point. A lot of young people have no experience with high standards in journalism.
 
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That's hardly an impressive argument considering it might well have made things much, much worse (yes, it can always get worse). I do think his views (including foreign policy) have wide enough support to deserve being taken at least halfway seriously though, especially when all kinds of nutjobs get such enormous coverage in the US (evolution-/global warming-deniers, homophobes, islamophobes, etc.) Is it crazier to believe the earth is 6000 years old than to believe the USA should pull back it's soldiers from oversee's? I would say so.

Yeah, his foreign policy views are pretty solid. The U.S. spends so much time nationbuilding around the world, that we're neglecting millions of people here at home. I mean, helping your neighbor build a deck onto his house if great, but you don't go help your neighbor build that deck while your own house is on fire.

(As an aside, I love the baby Dash avatar! :D )
 
Re: John Stewart slams MSNBC, CBS, Fox News and CNN for ignoring Ron P

The reason Paul should be ignored is because he has said stuff like this:

order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks
I don't care how he (or anyone else) spins it; it's not presidential.

I know it gets brought up all the time.
I know the horse is long dead.

The problem is, it should have been the ended the discussion a long time ago.

But...the Gold Standard!!!
 
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But...the Gold Standard!!!
Yes. Let's base our economy on some material that science may learn to reproduce cheaply any day now, effectively bringing the price of it in line with tin foil.

Our money HAS to be based on some conceptual value, rather than a single material. I would recommend shifting it from the value of "full faith and trust in the United States" to something a little more solid like a GDP-per-capita index, or an index of American worker productivity.
 
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But...Constitution. GOLD!
 
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^ Yeah, cause the mainstream theories that "discredited" him are doing such a wonderful job.

If you want to point fingers, I suggest you point them at people like Paul that think perpetual tax cuts, deregulation, and fiscal austerity are the solution to everything. Stay away from monetary policy, because that simply wasn't the problem here. Alan Greenspan, despite being as big of an idiot as Ron Paul, was not the root of this problem. The root was banks not giving a shit about who they loaned money to, because they could pass the entire risk off to the investor class by securitizing their bad loans and getting S&P to rate their feces AAA.

Of course, that's the short answer. The long answer involvs giving almost everyone in the country a slice of the blame (Hoping to flip your house, or ReFi before your ARM resets, or else you lose everything is a dumb way to live). The answer to getting us out of malaise can be summed up even more simply: create demand by deficit spending. New infrastructure. Replace the roads, bridges and metros that are falling apart anyway. Get the construction workers who are otherwise sitting on their asses or working crap jobs at Wal-Mart a job building things again.

Forget the debt/GDP ratio, because quite simply, no one that actually buys T-bills really cares about it. Hell, do you know where all the money went when the Dow dropped 600 points after the S&P downgrade? Investors went and bought T-bills, pushing down yield. Yes, the US got downgraded and the world responded by buying more US debt. They let the US borrow at a 2% interest rate. Since inflation runs 2-3% a year, that means this is free money. In fact, countries are basically paying the US government to hold their money. Since the US can still easily afford interest payments (recall that tidbit from the debt ceiling crisis), it should be loading up right now until no one is willing to lend at such an insanely low rate.

THEN and only then (which should be 2-3 years from now when this recession is finally over) do you enact austerity measures and pull back on spending.

None of this involves monetary policy, BTW.
 
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That's a good point. A lot of young people have no experience with high standards in journalism.

I don't think too many old people have seen it either. Sure, we remember Murrow and Cronkite but there were plenty of awful ones back then, too.
 
Re: John Stewart slams MSNBC, CBS, Fox News and CNN for ignoring Ron P

Ron Paul should be ignored. His ignorant rants espousing discredited theories about gold-based market has dragged the economic debate even deeper into the gutter.

The reason Paul should be ignored is because he has said stuff like this:

order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks
I don't care how he (or anyone else) spins it; it's not presidential.

I know it gets brought up all the time.
I know the horse is long dead.

The problem is, it should have been the ended the discussion a long time ago.

If we're ignoring candidates who spout ignorance, bad policies, and bigotry, than how do you justify excluding coverage of Ron Paul while including coverage of Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry, Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, or others? Ignorance, bigotry, and bad policies are the hallmarks of the Republican field; are the media supposed to just ignore the bunch of them, or is there some special reason why Paul is somehow worse than the rest of the group?

There's no justifiable reason for the media to choose to ignore the second place finisher while playing up other candidates whose policies and personal beliefs can be every bit as bad or worse in many cases than Paul's. It shouldn't be the media's place to decide if he's a viable candidate or not based on such arbitrary criteria. They should just report the results of the straw poll as is.
 
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