John Logan Deleted Wesley's Speaking Scene from NEM!

[Trevacious]

Hm. So, in an emergency, would a starship really Need warp drive to get away, given Wesley's travelin' powers?

 

[Doug Otte]

Brutal Strudel said:

FalTorPan said:

Ro_Laren said:
Having Wil Wheaton in uniform in the film confused the crap out of people!!

Right... because everyone continues to do the same thing forever and ever, since deviating from that pattern is too confusing to others.

But wouldn't going from being a Traveller to being an assistant engineer on the Titan be analogous to going from post-doc studies in particle physics to kindergarten?

The problem with Worf and Wesley being in the movie is that their presence requires us to celebrate character retrogression. I had the same problem with the TOS movies--in order to keep the crew together , the supposedly best crew in the fleet was made into a bunch of dead-enders.

Wesley's and Worf's presence in Starfleet uniforms never bothered me. They're at a formal event. They wear their best outfits. AFAIK, they're both still Starfleet officers, even if they're:

1) away with the Travelers, or
2) on a diplomatic posting.

Doug

 

[Kegek]

Brutal Strudel said:
But wouldn't going from being a Traveller to being an assistant engineer on the Titan be analogous to going from post-doc studies in particle physics to kindergarten?

True. If you left the scene in, Wesley's presence would be equally as confusing. The only difference is everyone would be forced to notice how ridiculous and contrived his presence in the film is. It's a judicious cut: Those for whom the scene means anything would be baffled at this twist in Wesley's career.

The problem with Worf and Wesley being in the movie is that their presence requires us to celebrate character retrogression. I had the same problem with the TOS movies--in order to keep the crew together , the supposedly best crew in the fleet was made into a bunch of dead-enders.

I don't mind deadending the crew as much as I mind resetting them. The former at least makes sense, and doesn't involve chucking whole character arcs out the window. And yet the TOS films were still more accepting of growth - we got to see Sulu given his own command, for example. NEM keeps telling us that Riker and Troi will be leaving, but since they're along for the ride the impact is considerably more minimal.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

Indeed. Not only was Sulu in command of his own own ship in VI, Chekov was first officer of the Reliant in II.

You know, regarding NEM, the whole problem could have been avoided had the production team simply not put Wesley or Worf in uniform. Why wouldn't Wesley-the-Traveller and Worf-the-Ambassador show up to the wedding of two of the most important people in their lives? And why wouldn't Worf go along for the ride to Betazed? In fact, I could easily see Martok ordering him to go along to Romulus as an observer.

There was absolutely no need to hit reset for either character.

 

[Kegek]

Brutal Strudel said:
Indeed. Not only was Sulu in command of his own own ship in VI, Chekov was first officer of the Reliant in II.

You know, regarding NEM, the whole problem could have been avoided had the production team simply not put Wesley or Worf in uniform. Why wouldn't Wesley-the-Traveller and Worf-the-Ambassador show up to the wedding of two of the most important people in their lives? And why wouldn't Worf go along for the ride to Betazed? In fact, I could easily see Martok ordering him to go along to Romulus as an observer.

There was absolutely no need to hit reset for either character.

I've heard somewhere the original plan was for Worf to be at the wedding in Ambassadorial dress, but Michael Dorn nixed it as he wanted to be in his 'spacesuit' like the rest of the cast. I probably read that here so I can't account for its veracity.

Either way, though, Worf would have retired from his job and redonned the SF uniform.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Kegek said:
I've heard somewhere the original plan was for Worf to be at the wedding in Ambassadorial dress, but Michael Dorn nixed it as he wanted to be in his 'spacesuit' like the rest of the cast. I probably read that here so I can't account for its veracity.

I've often mentioned the anecdote here. IIRC, it was in John Logan's Starlog interview. He rang Dorn and said, "I'm writing your first scene now. Did you want Worf to be in his ambassadorial robes at the wedding?" And Dorn said, "No, I want to be in my 'spacesuit' like everyone else."

 

[MadBaggins]

OH NOES! The worst character in Trek history was edited out of the worst movie in Trek history! MOMMIE!

 

[Shatmandu]

Whatever the scene was, I'm sure it ended with that slope-shouldered little git bleating, "Mom!"

Joe, 46 regular

 

[cardinal biggles]

Shatmandu said:
Whatever the scene was, I'm sure it ended with that slope-shouldered little git bleating, "Mom!"

And a missed opportunity that was... in response, everyone -- the members of the wedding party, the guests, the waiters, the orchestra -- shouts in unison, "SHUT UP, WESLEY!"

 

[Starlock]

cardinal biggles said:

Shatmandu said:
Whatever the scene was, I'm sure it ended with that slope-shouldered little git bleating, "Mom!"

And a missed opportunity that was... in response, everyone -- the members of the wedding party, the guests, the waiters, the orchestra -- shouts in unison, "SHUT UP, WESLEY!"

If you'll recall the rather inane dialogue (IMHO) given to Wil Wheaton for Wesley's appearance, doing that would be a blessing.

I actually felt embarrased for him.

 

[Dane_Whitman]

Before Jake Sisko, Wesley was just about the first major character that didn't want to be in Starfleet. It was refreshing. I don't like that they put him in uniform for the wedding scene. It kinda nullifies what he had come to symbolise: the idea that Starfleet is not the only way to enlightenment and experience. To choose your own path instead of following in your father's footsteps and do exactly what everyone expects you to do.

 

[Nebusj]

Starlock said:
If you'll recall the rather inane dialogue (IMHO) given to Wil Wheaton for Wesley's appearance, doing that would be a blessing.

It wasn't ``rather'' inane. It soared above ``rather'' inane as a starship soars above a prairie dog. Wil Wheaton had been given possibly the most inane dialogue proposed for the entire movie.

 

[ancient]

I have the deleted scene so I wrote it down. Here's what the scene looks like on the special edition DVD deleted scenes section:

-"WESLEY'S NEW MISSION"-
---------------------------

Picard is standing by a table with drink in hand. Dr. Crusher joins him.

CRUSHER
(Regarding Riker/new crewmen) Sort of like loosing a son and gaining an empath, isn't it?

PICARD
(Sarcastic) You're being a big help.

CRUSHER
Listen, if you start tearing up I promise I'll beam you out immediately.

[We see Riker & Troi leaving the dance floor. Wesley joins Crusher/Picard]

WESLEY
Mom! ...Captain.

PICARD
Wesley, it’s good to see you in uniform again.

WESLEY
Thank you sir.

CRUSHER
Suits him, doesn’t it?

PICARD
You’re looking forward to serving on the Titan?

WESLEY
I am very much. I’ve got the night-duty shift in engineering and we’ve got a double-refracting warp core matrix with twin intermix chambers.
(Sees hot chick)
Would you excuse me for a moment? I’ll see you later.
(Walks over to hot chick)

Pretty gag-inducing and extraneous, I'd say. *SNIP SNIP*

 

[Technobuilder]

Good lord, that's abominable.

 

[Lindley]

In addition to the A Time To explanation----and Wesley's lack of presence in the Titan series----there's also this:

http://mirrors.hiddenfrontier.com/download.php/106Act1.mov
http://mirrors.hiddenfrontier.com/download.php/106Act2.mov

It's the subpar first season, and Wesley never shows up on the show again, but there it is anyway.

 

[MadBaggins]

What would his wife Robin Lefler think of him going after another hot chick...

 

[Peach Wookiee]

Did they get married in the books or something?

 

[David cgc]

Quite the opposite. There's was actually a short-lived, totally unsubstantiated rumor that Ashley Judd was going to appear in Nemesis as Robin Lefler, and shown being married to Wesley. This would've actually messed up a lot of stuff in the books, where she most assuredly did not marry The Boy.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

^Ah.

 

[Trekker83]

The TNG movies suffer if you add the deleted scenes. Unlike the TOS movies. NEM is no exception.