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John Krasinski is Jack Ryan (Amazon TV series)

Harvey said:
The false starts are starting to get a little tiresome -- I thought The Sum of All Fears and Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit were both fine origin stories, but here we go again. Third time's the charm?

Maybe they'll take a lesson from The Hunt for Red October -- still the best film in the series -- and ditch the origin story this time?
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I always liked Alec Baldwin as Ryan in that film the best because I found him the most relatable. He wasn't some kick-ass agent that you send on missions. He was an analyst who's comfortable behind a desk, but is reluctantly sent out to prove a theory and is something of a fish out of water.

I'm sorry we didn't see more of THAT Jack Ryan.
 
t_smitts said:
I always liked Alec Baldwin as Ryan in that film the best because I found him the most relatable. He wasn't some kick-ass agent that you send on missions. He was an analyst who's comfortable behind a desk, but is reluctantly sent out to prove a theory and is something of a fish out of water.

I'm sorry we didn't see more of THAT Jack Ryan.
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My stance on it too. Not that I need a character to be relatable, but all the rest fo' sure.
 
t_smitts said:
I always liked Alec Baldwin as Ryan in that film the best because I found him the most relatable. He wasn't some kick-ass agent that you send on missions. He was an analyst who's comfortable behind a desk, but is reluctantly sent out to prove a theory and is something of a fish out of water.

I'm sorry we didn't see more of THAT Jack Ryan.
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Yeah, agreed. And he was in way over his head, which frankly made it more entertaining. It's too bad that the Chris Pine version of the character, which did have him as an analyst, didn't go more for those qualities. Incidentally, I didn't think Pine did a bad job with what was given him.
 
Most of the Tom Clancy novels are nigh-unfilmable, though. They're a thousand plus pages long, feature a hundred characters, and usually end in a massive war involving thousands of people, tanks, fighters, soldiers... It's too long to fit in a movie, and too expensive to do on TV.
 
I prefer the explanation he gave here...
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It's all good, but jump to 2:00 for the relevant quote.
 
Tosk said:
I prefer the explanation he gave here...
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It's all good, but jump to 2:00 for the relevant quote.
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Also need to jump to your country in order to watch it. Fucking ridiculous in 2016.
 
Marc said:
why hollywood can't just go with material in the books is beyond me.
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Mostly because Clancy peaked with Red October and The Cardinal of the Kremlin, and his work gradually became more xenophobic and full of military porn until 9/11 completely broke him and his work basically consisted of "here are all the reasons that Islam and Red China are evil monsters who eat babies and crucify puppies."
 
I was always disappointed he didn't do a book called the Pope of the Pentagon.
Red October and Red Storm Rising were the only books of his I managed to get through.
 
Looking back, I think part of what makes Hunt for Red October so special in my eyes, is the way the anthem is sung. It gives me chills everytime I hear it. The other movies were good, but lack a certain something.
 
I have to admit, as a teenager I was too blind to see the politics of the books. I do plan to read them again someday, just to react in horror at what I didn't even notice as a kid :ouch:
 
Nerys Myk said:
I was always disappointed he didn't do a book called the Pope of the Pentagon.
Red October and Red Storm Rising were the only books of his I managed to get through.
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Probably because they are totally different written style to his other books and Red Storm Rising was co-written with Larry Bond.
 
Timby said:
Mostly because Clancy peaked with Red October and The Cardinal of the Kremlin, and his work gradually became more xenophobic and full of military porn until 9/11 completely broke him and his work basically consisted of "here are all the reasons that Islam and Red China are evil monsters who eat babies and crucify puppies."
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And you know this because you've read every single book like I did, right?

Amazing. People still generalize his entire career based on two books and a movie and a half...
 
Admiral2 said:
And you know this because you've read every single book like I did, right?

Amazing. People still generalize his entire career based on two books and a movie and a half...
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It's probably not that far off the mark and yes I've read most of his main series Jack Ryan books plus Rainbow Six and Without Remorse and think Cardinal Of The Kremlin and Sum Of All Fears are his best.
 
Admiral2 said:
Amazing. People still generalize his entire career based on two books and a movie and a half...
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Debt of Honor is an astoundingly racist piece of work (the only mainstream novel I can think of from that time that engaged in worse Japan-bashing was Rising Sun), Executive Orders isn't any better, nor are The Bear and the Dragon or The Teeth of the Tiger, and the less said about the books that he had Grant Blackwood and Mark Greaney ghostwrite, the better. Dude went off the reservation in the mid-'90s and basically was completely broken by 9/11.
 
Timby said:
Debt of Honor is an astoundingly racist piece of work (the only mainstream novel I can think of from that time that engaged in worse Japan-bashing was Rising Sun), Executive Orders isn't any better, nor are The Bear and the Dragon or The Teeth of the Tiger, and the less said about the books that he had Grant Blackwood and Mark Greaney ghostwrite, the better. Dude went off the reservation in the mid-'90s and basically was completely broken by 9/11.
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Must have been something in the water around that time - Clancy had Debt Of Honor and Clive Cussler came out with Dragon which also featured a Japanese business hell bent on taking out the U.S.
 
There was a deeply xenophobic bent among a section of the population -- primarily conservatives -- in the United States for a few years in the early '90s (edit: and I suppose in the '80s, too, when American industry really started to hit its wane). In fact, back in 1992 or so Major League Baseball said it would forbid Nintendo from buying the Seattle Mariners until Nintendo announced that an American would be the team's chairman and president.
 
I have vague memories as a kid of all this talk about how Japan was taking over America economically and they were slowly buying us out. Then when I got older I wondered what the hell happened to those predictions. You can see it in movies like Die Hard and ?Blade Runner? (I haven't seen it in a long time).
 
It was a popular theme in a lot of cyberpunk. Along with variations of AIDS and megacorporate-fueled dystopias (which, honestly, is one of the only things that looks like it might happen in the United States unless something drastic changes in the near future). It was almost more of an 80's thing that simply bled into the early 90's; not so much a 90's thing per se.
 
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