"John Carter of Mars" Moving Ahead!
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Don't know if this has been posted, but its an interesting critique of the advertising campaign from a source that kind of liked the movie overall.
"...Traditionally, a blockbuster movie will begin production with an eye towards having ready the handful of impressive and complex special effects scenes that will be essential to its marketing. Even if these scenes wind up not being in the final product, at the least they’ve wowed audiences, getting them intrigued early… Even though most of a movie’s effects aren’t finished until later, these Ka-BOOM! shots are prioritized because they lock in audiences early.
But Stanton hadn’t scheduled for this. Being new to live action, he was suffering under a double load: He was having to learn live-action filmmaking on the go, even as he was still essentially making an animated movie. (John Carter actually has more character animations than WALL-E or Finding Nemo.) Used to the far slower-paced, perfection-is-possible world of Pixar Animation, Stanton had nothing ready for Carney and her team when they arrived to meet him on set looking for signature shots. Certain shots had potential, but they were unfinished. “We had nothing to cut from,” laments one Disney marketing insider, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, recounting the stand-off between Carney and Stanton over the shots, “Before we left, we’d show [a version of the teaser] to them. But it was always, ‘You can’t have that shot! It’s not color-corrected!’ Or, ‘You can’t have that one, either: The CGI’s not finished; they haven’t taken out the wires!’ It would be disingenuous to say [Stanton] refused to finish it; there was nothing to be done, because it was just the physical fact that it wasn’t ready. You can’t make it ready if it’s not ready. It wasn’t really deliberate.”...
Because the Barsoom books were so influential to cinema’s greatest sci-fi auteurs, just about everything in it had already been plundered and reused by other hits. And as a result, the more that was revealed of John Carter, the more derivative it looked, even if its source had originated these ideas… Looking beyond Lucas, Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry famously pillaged the books, as did James Cameron, who in numerous interviews called Avatar “almost an Edgar Rice Burroughs kind of adventure.”
Here's the link:
http://www.vulture.com/2012/03/john-carter-doomed-by-first-trailer.html?imw=Y
"...Traditionally, a blockbuster movie will begin production with an eye towards having ready the handful of impressive and complex special effects scenes that will be essential to its marketing. Even if these scenes wind up not being in the final product, at the least they’ve wowed audiences, getting them intrigued early… Even though most of a movie’s effects aren’t finished until later, these Ka-BOOM! shots are prioritized because they lock in audiences early.
But Stanton hadn’t scheduled for this. Being new to live action, he was suffering under a double load: He was having to learn live-action filmmaking on the go, even as he was still essentially making an animated movie. (John Carter actually has more character animations than WALL-E or Finding Nemo.) Used to the far slower-paced, perfection-is-possible world of Pixar Animation, Stanton had nothing ready for Carney and her team when they arrived to meet him on set looking for signature shots. Certain shots had potential, but they were unfinished. “We had nothing to cut from,” laments one Disney marketing insider, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, recounting the stand-off between Carney and Stanton over the shots, “Before we left, we’d show [a version of the teaser] to them. But it was always, ‘You can’t have that shot! It’s not color-corrected!’ Or, ‘You can’t have that one, either: The CGI’s not finished; they haven’t taken out the wires!’ It would be disingenuous to say [Stanton] refused to finish it; there was nothing to be done, because it was just the physical fact that it wasn’t ready. You can’t make it ready if it’s not ready. It wasn’t really deliberate.”...
Because the Barsoom books were so influential to cinema’s greatest sci-fi auteurs, just about everything in it had already been plundered and reused by other hits. And as a result, the more that was revealed of John Carter, the more derivative it looked, even if its source had originated these ideas… Looking beyond Lucas, Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry famously pillaged the books, as did James Cameron, who in numerous interviews called Avatar “almost an Edgar Rice Burroughs kind of adventure.”
Here's the link:
http://www.vulture.com/2012/03/john-carter-doomed-by-first-trailer.html?imw=Y
That's pretty interesting, but it still seems like nothing but problems that should have been straightforward enough to anticipate. If these stories are true, then someone actually dropped the ball.
If they knew it would appear derivative, why couldn't they have played that up by saying something like, "Now you can finally see the masterful original," as one of the lines of narration in one of the trailers?
If they knew it would appear derivative, why couldn't they have played that up by saying something like, "Now you can finally see the masterful original," as one of the lines of narration in one of the trailers?
The Friday numbers are out - ~$4 million. That's a 60% drop from last friday. (the opening day)
So this movies does not have legs. It does not have a significant "word of mouth" to affect grosses. It will probably not break $100 million domestically.
And that's too bad.
So this movies does not have legs. It does not have a significant "word of mouth" to affect grosses. It will probably not break $100 million domestically.
And that's too bad.
A damned shame. But I'm still going to buy the dvd when it releases.
Saw it today. LOVED IT. Captured the fantastic tales element of the novel. Quite exciting, great pace. No cutesy characters taking up the screen. Nice casting, Dejah Thoris was excellent because she looked both Frazetta hot AND very determined and intelligent. Very interesting story most of which I had forgotten despite reading it multiple times in high school.. made me want to read it again. Will definitely buy the dvd and may go see it again too!
Couldn't get anyone else to see it with me.. I think it's a shame if it's not doing well because it's a real winner. I very much appreciate that it wasn't modernized with any expected gimmicky bits.
Couldn't get anyone else to see it with me.. I think it's a shame if it's not doing well because it's a real winner. I very much appreciate that it wasn't modernized with any expected gimmicky bits.
Yes, another aspect of the film I also greatly appreciated.
Would within the next three or four months be two soon?
It's already up for pre-order on Amazon, though they don't have a release date yet. I'm guessing the first week of July; that would be seventeen weeks out from the theatrical debut.
I saw that Amazon had it for pre-order last night. They must have done that very recently because I had checked there for it only a day or so before. Well, I hope it sees a second life in DVD sales.
