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JJ's era and excess if not unfair blame on Rian Johnson

Qonundrum

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^^ouch. The definitive explanation.

It's common knowledge TFA wasn't a story or had any real foundation or plan (not because it's a glossy but uninspired remake of IV with some basic differences, many of which don't add up much less get reasonably addressed), or that there was no plan for the trilogy (contrary to what Midnight's Edge was ranting about recently, as articles in 2017* were already spelling out what TFA openly hinted at) but that video really spells out some worthwhile details that go beyond a shadow of a doubt in proving TFA had little apart from great visuals and nostalgia, and that there was little - if not nothing - plotted for a continuing saga.

* many are still easily found from Google

IMHO, he's often right - Johnson had few options and all the in-jokes about burning the past and all that were aimed at TFA. And how many characters had a lot of genuine potential. But the video speaks for itself. Rian was backed into a corner. Whatever criticisms of TLJ are, and there is potential in that movie, I'm, not alone in thinking Rian's gotten a raw deal.

But I do disagree with him, Ren via his often unpredictable actions were more palpable without that mask he wore. Or if he got a design that was halfway decent, I do agree that a mask or face painting is the stereotype accorded villains. (Now, the masks do look good for the Knights based on portraits I've seen, but Ren himself needed an outfit that was above and beyond.)

And "deconstruction" - I disagree. I (believe) he was trying to expand the universe while getting around the silly and/or illoglcal limitations imposed by TFA. Or maybe "deconstruction" does fit, TFA was such a shallow movie that there was no other way to try to save the franchise than to take the path Rian took.

And, of course, IV-VI didn't have too much of a set plan (Amongst other issues, Leia being the key since in VI she says she's always known she's a Jedi who's his sibling and, oops, she frenched him in V and increasingly had googley-eyes for him in IV...) I-III had the end result of the plan already there (Anakin becomes Darth but IV-VI gave out enough information that I-III don't fit in perfectly pristinely... so even TFA gets undue criticism when it comes to "But muh written in detail in advance plotting!"...)
 
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You make a movie that makes $2 billion dollars? That to me is the opposite of killing a franchise. As far as not having a plan? Having everything set in stone is not the way to attract more talented filmmakers to the franchise.
 
carrie fisher completely ruined episode nine by dying, how inconsiderate of her.
 
Both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi had noteable flaws, but for me TLJ surpassed them and delivered a rewarding experience, whereas TFA was destroyed by them.
 
Yes - my fandom consists of - "was this worth the ticket price and three hours of my life".

I'm a bit more involved and critical of Star Trek, but for pretty much everything else this is my standard.
 
If only fans had been up in arms over the terrible dialogue and nauseating romance of Attack of the Clones.
 
If only fans had been up in arms over the terrible dialogue and nauseating romance of Attack of the Clones.
Oh we were, we’ve had memes for years. Not so much anger, that’s the way of the Sith. We just mocked it for 17 years.
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This is the proper way to deal with this. Don’t hate, turn it into joy.

Then there is this genius work of art.
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This channel has done Episodes 1-6 just like this. It’s amazing, watch them all.
 
The sequels are masterpieces if compared with the prequels. Hard to understand how the fans are complaining so much about the new films. Disney/LFL are doing a great job so far. The weakest for me was Solo, but its still a good movie.
 
The sequels are masterpieces if compared with the prequels. Hard to understand how the fans are complaining so much about the new films. Disney/LFL are doing a great job so far. The weakest for me was Solo, but its still a good movie.
Yeah, Solo wasn't a movie that needed to be made. But it was a fun ride.
 
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