I am hoping he does Star Trek right and not make it a "Phantom Menace" clone.
That's my greatest worry, Abrams destroying the classic
Oh my. He's changing Trek by making it more of an action and adventure story...like it always was (or could be, depending on the writer, director, and acting).
Whatever shall we do?
How will one movie destroy something that's so ingrained over 40 years?
Did "Superman IV" destroy the "Superman" legend?
Did "Batman and Robin" prevent any more "Batman" films being made?
Did "Star Trek V" stop them from making "Star Trek VI"?
Every Superman movie since has sucked
the only thing keeping the franchise alive were cartoons/comics and the odd good episode of Smallville
Yes, it almost killed the franchise. Now WB managed to pull a rabbit out of a hat by hiring some damn good writers, a great director and really expensive and talented actors for Batman Begins ( Caine, Neeson, Wilkinson, Oldman, Wantanabe, Holmes, Roache, Freeman, Hauer)
but Joel Schumacher almost drove the Batman name into the grave
Other great names driven into the grave thanks to poor directing or over exposure of a badly handled franchise
Aliens movies thanks to the 3rd
Matrix
The Crow movies
Star Wars films
Robocop films
Nightmare on Elm Street
Rob Zombie's Halloween fiasco
Xmen 3
Addams Family
Predator franchise
In your opinion. I loved the last one.
I seem to recall "Lois and Clark" being quite a ratings winner after "Superman IV" bombed. Several "bad" movies ("Superman III", "Supergirl" and "Superman IV") didn't kill it forever.
So, I rest my case. One bad movie didn't kill it.
What makes them right?
No one has a perfect batting average, but my intution hasn't let me down very often in my 49 years.
Mine neither. We are the same age, but I'm still looking forward to ST XI, very optimistically.
People bring varying expectations and "gotta haves" to their entertainment. Promotional clips and advance news have to have certain things to pique our interest.
I've tried each new incarnation of Trek with varying results. Everything had something to recommend it and varying amounts of disappointment. Maybe...hell, no maybe about it, there's been an over satuation of Trek and far too much disappointment. We've been promised so much so often and had those promises broken that trust has been exhausted. There's none left.
Believe it not there's nothing I'd like more than to get a new Trek project I could get into. But I don't see it. Every new bit of information that comes out of it just adds to my discouragement. And Hollywood is just as bad as politics when it comes to spin such that you can never believe a goddamned word they say. Otherwise every project would be gold instead of most of it being crap.
I just don't believe them anymore. TPTB have thoroughly destroyed whatever goodwill I could have held for them.
Trek XI might be a surprise, but I'm inclined to doubt it. I've little doubt it'll be a financial success, but that's pretty much meaningless to me because a lot of things have been successful that I wouldn't waste two minutes for.
I've tried each new incarnation of Trek with varying results. Everything had something to recommend it and varying amounts of disappointment. Maybe...hell, no maybe about it, there's been an over satuation of Trek and far too much disappointment. We've been promised so much so often and had those promises broken that trust has been exhausted. There's none left.
Believe it not there's nothing I'd like more than to get a new Trek project I could get into. But I don't see it. Every new bit of information that comes out of it just adds to my discouragement. And Hollywood is just as bad as politics when it comes to spin such that you can never believe a goddamned word they say. Otherwise every project would be gold instead of most of it being crap.
I just don't believe them anymore. TPTB have thoroughly destroyed whatever goodwill I could have held for them.
Trek XI might be a surprise, but I'm inclined to doubt it. I've little doubt it'll be a financial success, but that's pretty much meaningless to me because a lot of things have been successful that I wouldn't waste two minutes for.
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I am hoping he does Star Trek right and not make it a "Phantom Menace" clone.
That's my greatest worry, Abrams destroying the classic
Unless he goes back and instills CGI animals into the background of the classic episodes then you don't need to worry. You have your original series DVDs with all the great memories and no one will rape your child hood in this next movie.
All your "intuition" can tell you is whether you'll like something - not whether it's good or will be successful.
Modern Trek, after all, was both things for most of fandom (and far more casual viewers than TOS) and certainly for the studio despite the fact that you don't like it at all.
Anyway...I'm never wrong, and I expect this movie to be great.
Oh, and "Superman Returns" was quite a good movie - despite which I'd add that there's nothing at all wrong with the "Superman Franchise" being kept alive primarily in comics, since "Superman" is first and foremost a comic book after all.
I suggest that you apply the phrase that Ronald Reagan used to describe his perspective towards the (not yet collapsed) Soviet Union.
People on both sides pushed him to either declare absolute emnity towards them, or to become totally passive towards them. His attitude was actually much more reasonable, and I've always loved it.
"Trust, but verify."
In other words, allow for the possibility the the guys you're worried about are going to do the right thing... but keep a close eye on them just in case they don't.
Don't CONVICT THEM, before they've done something bad.
Is it possible that Abrams' film will be a horrific disaster? Oh, yeah, it's definitely possible.
Is it possible that Abrams' film will be the Trek you've always wanted to see since before TMP? Believe it or not, YES, that is possible.
As I've said before, I'll be right here with you, torch burning and pitchfork tines sharpened, if the movie really does turn out to be the travesty you seem to fear it's going to turn out to be.
But I'm also prepared to give Abrams a bit of trust... just not BLIND trust. I intend to verify.
So far, the ONLY things I've seen that are "warning bells" for me are the Enterprise arrowhead being used for Starfleet across-the-board (dumb, but not a show-stopper for me) and the evidence that the Enterprise is a total rethink (which might well prove to be a mistaken assumption based upon plot points we do not yet know about!) Most of the rest has been, honestly, pretty positive.
The stuff that would worry me most, were it TRUE, is not the stuff that's coming out of the production offices. It's the WILD-ASS GUESSES being made by some "fans" (a number of whom spend a fair amount of time right here). If the pure-guesswork "definitive facts" which some of these folks spout off were to be proven true, well... pitchforks and torches time! But I don't believe that ANYONE on this BBS knows anything more, or less, than you or anyone else does.
Yes, I know that people have stated, conclusively that "everything is out the window, whoo hoooo!" but they're just stating their own ego-driven wishful thinking, as well as (bluntly stated) being intended to "troll" the people who really don't want things to change.
Don't bite... give Abrams a chance to prove himself... for better or worse. THAT is the only thing that will matter here.
Oh, and by the way... Cloverfield is much easier to watch on a TV screen.
It kept me captivated, twice in the cinema in its first week, and again on DVD. Some excellent performances, with many of the new actors, at times, channeling previous actors who'd taken the roles before them - and at other times putting their own slant on things.
It might sound simplistic, but I'm just really jazzed there's new Trek coming out. New Trek! AND...Kirk/Spock/Scotty/Sulu/Chekov/Uhura Trek!!!
I'm psyched.
-Rabittooth
I'm psyched.
-Rabittooth
Yep, that covers it pretty well.
I can't wait to see these characters recast and re-invented in the context of the original "Star Trek" as opposed to the TOS films. That includes characters like Pike.
Neither has mine in my 37. The difference is, I haven't already concluded that the entire project is going to suck--or that it will be a soaring success for that matter. My intuition tells me several things: that it's probably going to do pretty well financially; that I will probably like it more than anything else that's come out of the Trek franchise in at least a decade; and that people like you are almost certainly going to continue to hate it and make sure that no expression of optimism about it, however small or vague, goes unchallenged.
When people have been lied to enough or seen enough promises broken then it's understandable they're skeptical.
I make no apologies for this. TPTB have done so much wrong that my every instinct tells me they're likely to put out just more crap.
I will be very surprised if they actually deliver something good.
Surprise? Actually freaking amazed.
I make no apologies for this. TPTB have done so much wrong that my every instinct tells me they're likely to put out just more crap.
I will be very surprised if they actually deliver something good.
Surprise? Actually freaking amazed.
As a TOS/TAS onlie, even I can agree with this statement.
As someone else said; "jazzed" is the word.
My true soaring hope is that somehow TNG+ gets shunted off into some weird alternate realm equivalent to a Patrick Duffy (on acid) shower nightmare scenario. Please, make me fall in love with Trek movies again!
As it stands now, TOS-R is like a restored photograph of a significant other. The cracks and peeled image has been restored. and it looks vibrant again.
Give me an artist's oil painting to go along with it!
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