I have to agree too, I've always wanted to explore Pike's career and what he did to get a medal named for him (Sisko recieved the Christopher Pike medal of Valor). Pike is a very interesting character.
Jennifer Morrison is Pikes Number One
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Absolutely.
As I watched "The Menagerie" last evening, though, I was struck - not for the first time - by how flimsy and implausible the envelope story about Spock kidnapping Pike is. It doesn't work on any level - logically, within the context of the rest of the TV series, or even in terms of pacing (you notice that it takes ten seconds for Spock to get Pike beamed down and hooked up with the Talosians after the briefing room doors shut behind him?). That the whole thing combined together is as good as it is, is remarkable; it could easily have been a mess.
The only thing that would bother me about having Number One (or is it spelled Number 1) on screen WITH Spock is that in a sense, she IS Spock. If you know what I mean.
I hope to God this means we won't see a Spock running around SHOUTING all the time (as speculated upon in an old thread
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If you're playing to a mass audience, it has to be the Spock they expect. Not sterotypically so, but still as the emotionless "computer" he's most commonly thought of. And that's not the Spock from "The Cage".
I don't see what's gained (about Spock's cache) by adding a very intelligent, stoic, tall dark female WITHOUT pointed ears to confuse things. (Why is she like Spock? Is she Vulcan? Why doesn't she have pointed ears? What makes Spock uniquely smart? She's very smart, too.)
Consider these very early character traits (from when the captain's name was still Robert T. April) as taken from "The Making of 'Star Trek'":
Number One:
-- slim and dark in a Nile Valley way,
-- age uncertain (could be 20, could be 50),
-- extraordinarily efficient,
-- expressionless and cool,
-- probably April's superior in detailed knowledge of the equipment, departments, and personnel aboard the vessel.
Spock:
-- captain's right-hand man,
-- working-level commander of ship's functions,
-- satanic in appearance,
-- probably half Martian [well, that's what it says],
-- slightly reddish appearance [well, that's what it says],
-- quiet temperment,
-- nearest to Capatain April's equal physically, emotionally, and as a commander of men,
-- catlike curiosity.
I hope to God this means we won't see a Spock running around SHOUTING all the time (as speculated upon in an old thread
).If you're playing to a mass audience, it has to be the Spock they expect. Not sterotypically so, but still as the emotionless "computer" he's most commonly thought of. And that's not the Spock from "The Cage".
I don't see what's gained (about Spock's cache) by adding a very intelligent, stoic, tall dark female WITHOUT pointed ears to confuse things. (Why is she like Spock? Is she Vulcan? Why doesn't she have pointed ears? What makes Spock uniquely smart? She's very smart, too.)
Consider these very early character traits (from when the captain's name was still Robert T. April) as taken from "The Making of 'Star Trek'":
Number One:
-- slim and dark in a Nile Valley way,
-- age uncertain (could be 20, could be 50),
-- extraordinarily efficient,
-- expressionless and cool,
-- probably April's superior in detailed knowledge of the equipment, departments, and personnel aboard the vessel.
Spock:
-- captain's right-hand man,
-- working-level commander of ship's functions,
-- satanic in appearance,
-- probably half Martian [well, that's what it says],
-- slightly reddish appearance [well, that's what it says],
-- quiet temperment,
-- nearest to Capatain April's equal physically, emotionally, and as a commander of men,
-- catlike curiosity.
Franklin said:
I hope to God this means we won't see a Spock running around SHOUTING all the time (as speculated upon in an old thread
God, that was a great thread...
Might be interesting to the faithful, but what of Joe Public? The movie has to make money.
Cranston said:
I agree completely. For 40 years, that one episode hinted at such a rich backstory (and was the first hint that the Trek universe had historical depth), I'm very excited to actually see some more of it.
It's also, frankly, the part of the story that might be least likely to rankle fans -- we've seen 1 hour of Pike, but nearly 100 hours of the other TOS folks, so there's much less continuity-furniture to bang their elbows into. In other words, it's much more free to be its own thing. Which is all for the good, IMO.
(Of course, this also works the other way too -- because Pike et al suggested were such a rich area for mining story ideas, a lot of what people "know" about them is based on their own ideas and/or decades of fan fiction. Those kinds of preconceptions are bound to be injured by any new material. So, of course, the producers can't win).
Agreed. The Idea of these charaters and THIS StarShip being a central point, give me goos-bumps. Then I had a thought: What if we got a TV show in 2009, with the further adventures of Pike and the Enterprise. BEFORE Spock came on board? Greenwood has no problems with TV work. If his Pike was well received, it would add INSTANT credibility to the show. Just a thought.
Samuel T. Cogley said:
Franklin said:
I hope to God this means we won't see a Spock running around SHOUTING all the time (as speculated upon in an old thread
God, that was a great thread...
You should also know that the early character description of Spock also mentioned that he looked like someone who should have a forked
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I would never suggest otherwise.
"The factors in her favor include youth and unusually strong female drives."
The howls of laughter in the movie theater last night when the Keeper delivered that line were...well, we might as well have been in a midnight "Rocky Horror" screening.
The howls of laughter in the movie theater last night when the Keeper delivered that line were...well, we might as well have been in a midnight "Rocky Horror" screening.
Outpost4 said:
With this revelation about possibly a minor Cage character now in the movie...
We want Colt! We want Colt! We want Colt!
OK, at least I want Yeoman Colt.
Colt looked like she was about 12 years old. (Put another way: Pippi Longstocking in a Starfleet uniform.) No thanks.
Starship Polaris said:
"The factors in her favor include youth and unusually strong female drives."
The howls of laughter in the movie theater last night when the Keeper delivered that line were...well, we might as well have been in a midnight "Rocky Horror" screening.
The biggest gag here was when Miss Piper remarked that a mutual female friend of hers and Kirk's had 'described' him to her.
But hey, I'll jump on the Colt bandwagon.
"He doesn't need you. He's already picked me!"
"Picked her? For what? I don't understand."
"Now there's a fine choice for intelligent offspring!"
"Offspring? As in children?"
Yes and no. You can't just make him a completely different character, but you can use it as a way to chart character growth. Orci, Quinto, and Nimoy have all said, I think explicitly, that this story shows us how the people (esp. Spock) on TOS came to be the people that we know. I wouldn't be surprised if they used the "Cage" Spock (somewhat emotional, even smiling), who was paired with a stoic, very businesslike first officer, as a jumping off point to the later Spock that we know so well.
A major part of Spock's character arc, not only within TOS but extending to the films (and even TNG) as well, is that of him continually searching for himself [insert STIII joke here]. He veers back and forth between accepting his human side and being essentially a Surakian absolutist, before settling on something in between. We know from Journey to Babel that Spock's decision to join Starfleet was an act of rebellion against his father, and maybe even against his Vulcanness. It wouldn't take too much license to spin all of these details into a coherent story of Spock's growth as a person.
(Of course, the film might not take this course at all. But it's an avenue open to them.)
Well now they are saying she will be playing a pregnant Kirks mom opposite George Samuel Kirk reported by IESB. I wonder if the romulans will kill them since they are in the story. What would be the point to have a flashback seen of them.
http://www.trekmovie.com/morrison-as-number-one/
http://www.trekmovie.com/morrison-as-number-one/
Maybe she is playing Pike's Number One, but whose to say that she is playing the same Number one we saw in 'The Cage'? Maybe she is a different, later Number One -- one who has blonde hair.
