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It was amazing to see him in TNG, yes. It didn't look as if he'd live for many more years, though (in my opinion).
While better than "Fury" that still wouldn't be my preferred ending for her, nor my preferred follow-up to the Gift.
The only good thing about Kes' departure, to me, was that it seemed like she ascended to a higher form of being. Some sort of benevolent space goddess (like Q but nicer and probably sparklier)
I'd rather believe that she went back to Ocampa, restored the planet's biosphere with her powers and became a teacher to her people.
In that idea the "Kes" we saw in Fury was just some sort of cast-off, a by-product of her ascension that gained a semblance of sentience through some sort of cosmic fluke. Kinda like how the Ancient Egyptians thought a person's soul consisted of multiple parts some (ghosts) which were left behind in the mortal world, while the "self" traveled to the afterlife.
What would be great is if season 4 of Discovery has Fury Part 2 with an even more powerful and evil Kes that is hellbent on galactic destruction to build a new galaxy to lay her eggs in.
Except she did it back in the mists of ancient time, which was why the guardian of forever had to be moved..because
Kes is the Sphere Data!
which is not the Cube Data, that's the Borg Queen.. who is also
Kes.
ok writers, I have given you that. that's a freebie. get going. write. I know you read here for ideas.
Except she did it back in the mists of ancient time, which was why the guardian of forever had to be moved..because
Kes is the Sphere Data!
which is not the Cube Data, that's the Borg Queen.. who is also
Kes.
ok writers, I have given you that. that's a freebie. get going. write. I know you read here for ideas.
I don't want to be rude and I don't want to insult anyone.
But I'm afraid that I have to state that your suggestion here is downright horrible!
Hasn't it been enough of character destruction as it was?
Now, why can't we have the Kes we had in the series, maybe with a little more edge when it comes to solving problems and be caught up in exciting adventures.
I am afraid you haven't understood Kes' character at all, if that is the conclusion you have come to.
Are you a recent viewer? One of the main points of the first few seasons of Voyager was the character arc of her development. I believe if Lien had not been so rashley sacked, she would have been captain by Season 6. But as it stands yes the point is that she would have inevitable been too powerful for conventional morality. You can see the kind of amazing writing conventions would/will come from having an overly powerful, nay. nearly Q-like Kes emerging by the 32ndt century, either Christlike or a scourge to her enemies. Maybe she could eventually settle down and become a life-partner to Saru.
I just like the idea of Kes becoming Gaia to the Ocampa planet their "world spirit"/"planetary guardian"
Some might say it's a bit too "Planetary Romance"(the genre) for Trek, but I think a few "softer" scifi elements don't hurt.
Some might say it's a bit too "Planetary Romance"(the genre) for Trek, but I think a few "softer" scifi elements don't hurt.
Let me just say that I've watched the series for many years, at least the first three seasons and I think that Kes was excellent as she was in those seasons.
She was great with limited mental abilities, as she showed up in some episodes. It wasn't necessary to come up with that energy-being mumbo-jumbo.
And another super-being is the last thing we need. We had Q and he was excellent.
But when we are at it, in a thread in another forum about another character, I must admit that I'm sometimes amazed and amused about how some fans are trying to transfer their own opinions, sexuality, behavior or whatever to the Star Trek characters even if there are no evidence at all in episodes or books that the characters should be or become that way.
But while thinking about it, I'm becoming more and more convinced to start doing that myself, which in my case means turning my Star Trek favorite characters into people who resembles me, in this case especially when it comes to my fascination for hard rock and certain sports, like ice hockey for example.
And since I presented one of my favorite characters in another series as an upcoming entertainer in Quark's bar at station Deep Space Nine where he's become famous by singing the classic songs of the legendary musical ensemble Iron Maiden from the 20th and 21st century, I just got the idea of continuing it by adding a favorite character from Voyager to the expanding group of people in the 24th century who have become fans of the music and culture from the late 20th century and early 21st century.
So here she is, another upcoming entertainer at Quark's:
MaidenKes!
Let me just say that I've watched the series for many years, at least the first three seasons and I think that Kes was excellent as she was in those seasons.
She was great with limited mental abilities, as she showed up in some episodes. It wasn't necessary to come up with that energy-being mumbo-jumbo.
And another super-being is the last thing we need. We had Q and he was excellent.
But when we are at it, in a thread in another forum about another character, I must admit that I'm sometimes amazed and amused about how some fans are trying to transfer their own opinions, sexuality, behavior or whatever to the Star Trek characters even if there are no evidence at all in episodes or books that the characters should be or become that way.
But while thinking about it, I'm becoming more and more convinced to start doing that myself, which in my case means turning my Star Trek favorite characters into people who resembles me, in this case especially when it comes to my fascination for hard rock and certain sports, like ice hockey for example.
And since I presented one of my favorite characters in another series as an upcoming entertainer in Quark's bar at station Deep Space Nine where he's become famous by singing the classic songs of the legendary musical ensemble Iron Maiden from the 20th and 21st century, I just got the idea of continuing it by adding a favorite character from Voyager to the expanding group of people in the 24th century who have become fans of the music and culture from the late 20th century and early 21st century.
So here she is, another upcoming entertainer at Quark's:
MaidenKes!
Well of course that is a possibility. It is difficult to have this conversation, of course, if you are going to be completely flippant about it. Clearly we did see her character develop extreme powers, and Fury is just the beginning of what might have been. Fury really allowed Kes to come out of her shell as it were.
Making her a bar-fly in an Iron Maiden t-shirt (even if Run To the Hills is awesome), doesn't seem to fit her character to me. On the other hand having Kes fuse into the Sphere data, or being the source of it thereof does present a lot of narrative opportunities. Perhaps instead she can have a guest appearance on Lower Decks. Imagine that she returned to normalacy, as you have suggested, in the Alpha Quadrant, and is now an ensign aboard the Cerritos, but a funny character with some kind of catch phrase like "I've been dating since I was two years old, and THAT guy is creepier than Neelix."
Considering that one of Kes' defining characteristics was her compassion, I'd say it would be a lot more in-character for her to go help her planet rather than prancing around the Alpha Quadrant.
Well, I think we've beaten Jennifer's legal woes to death for awhile. I wish her well. Closing this thread before it gets more off topic. Thanks all.
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