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News Jason Isaacs Joins Star Trek: Discovery as Captain Lorca

So are we now saying that Trek should definitely always feature more women than men because women are more likely to pursue higher education which probably is a very valued qualification on Trek?

Or is the conversation just descending into sophistry and/or pedantry?

I can't decide but I feel like replying has stopped making sense. :p
 
So are we now saying that Trek should definitely always feature more women than men because women are more likely to pursue higher education which probably is a very valued qualification on Trek?
First of all, Trek hasn't represented a cross-section of all university studies and instead features mainly management and technology positions, so your extrapolation makes no sense here. But anyway, I only made the point that there is nothing unrealistic about the representation we have seen so far. I never said anything about what "should" be featured. There are no rules on what kind of characters Trek should focus on.
 
So, let me get this straight - nobody should give a crap about gender or racial casting in Trek because you can't know what job demographics will look like in a totally free and open fictional society 250 years in the future. Who knows what jobs women or poc might want in the future, so let's just accept that pretty much everything in Starfleet is done by a white male and don't bother asking for anything else.

Is it too early in the conversation for this gif? Seems we're fast approaching it, if we aren't there already.

https://twitter.com/swear_trek/status/785498653859405824?s=09
 
Lorca actually sounds like a female name to me, even though it's a last name. Perhaps he'll play a Transgendered person.
 
Jason Isaacs is an interesting choice for Captain. I admit that if someone had suggested it a week ago I would have scoffed and said something about Lucius Malfoy not being Captain material, but now that I've had time to let it soak I guess it's not far fetched. Certainly he has credibility as an actor. If he leaves the wand at home then I'll give it a thumbs up :bolian:
 
It is kinda tricky. Even if the person who made the casting would be an android perfectly free of any conscious or unconscious bias, and would honestly just choose the most talented person for each role, the bias would still exist because of the pool of available people to choose from. Other people choosing actors certainly have biases, and this affects the actors' careers, so if you are looking for actors with some established acting chops, the white males will already be over presented in that pool of people. Being 'colourblind (or 'genderblind') this way works only if everybody does it, and they certainly don't.

I've been a casting director. A huge part of that job is just policing the unconscious biases of your bosses -- I've worked for many, many people who had the best intentions, super open-minded liberals in their real lives, but they keep tripping themselves up unconsciously. This actor just doesn't quite FEEL like a lawyer, they can't put their finger on why, but they just don't feel right somehow (it's a dark-skinned black person)... but hey, look at this woman! She just has that upscale lawyer quality more, don't you think? (it's a super light-skinned black person) I could sit here for days and list endless examples of this kind of thing. I've learned I have to almost trick my clients into not making racist/sexist/etc casting decisions... early on in my career, I would challenge these biases directly, and it would always fail and we would end up with the the most straight-white-male casts you've ever seen. When I started approaching everything with a much softer touch and trying to cajole from other angles and almost never mentioning race/gender concerns (while keeping them in the forefront of my mind), I had much better results in assembling diverse casts.

Another challenge in this area is that the pool of white actors is waaaaaaaaaaay larger. You always end up in these horrible moments where you've whittled it down to your top two choices, one white, one not. The whole creative team is assembled, reviewing the tape, discussing the pros and cons of these choices. The white actor is slightly better, because the white actor has worked far more, because there are just vastly more roles available for him. I know the non-white actor has an incredible performance in him, though, if he would just get the chance... all he needs is to actually get the job and settle into it and then he'll wow everyone. You just need to figure out how to get these skittish producers over that hump, because they get stuck in: "I'm looking at these two audition tapes, and the difference is slight, but from what I can see in front of me right now the white guy is better, and I want whoever I think is better even if it isn't a huge gulf between them."

Basically, it often takes an enormous amount of energy, dedication, and subtle persuasion on the part of the casting director to overpower unconscious racist/sexist/homophobic/etc biases in the casting process. It can be tempting to say, it's 10 PM and I'm still in the office, let's just give them what they want and get home.

But back to Discovery... I keep going back to how we don't know who among these actors is going to really carry the series. If our most prominent characters end up being the first 7 announced -- a black woman, an Asian woman, a gay man, and four aliens -- I don't imagine anyone will feel it is insufficiently diverse. Maybe Saru will even be genderless, giving us a perfect 50/50 split!
 
So, let me get this straight - nobody should give a crap about gender or racial casting in Trek because you can't know what job demographics will look like in a totally free and open fictional society 250 years in the future. Who knows what jobs women or poc might want in the future, so let's just accept that pretty much everything in Starfleet is done by a white male and don't bother asking for anything else.

This reads like you're trying to describe a half-remembered dream of the conversation. All the elements are there, but it's all tangled. I said there was a disproportionate amount of white humans in Starfleet, but also that a 50% male-female split would be unrealistic, and Emilia suggested we might as well accept there are less males in these fields in the future because we don't know.
 
I keep going back to how we don't know who among these actors is going to really carry the series
This is a good point - with the exception of Number One, we have no idea how important or otherwise anyone else is. There will be Datas among the cast and there will be Mayweathers, and until we see the show we probably won't know which is which.
 
I think Discovery being the main ship is a pretty safe assumption, so one would expect the Discovery crew to be more prominent that the Shenzou crew.
 
I don't know why, but ever since Discovery was announced, I just haven't felt the excitement about it like I did with the other shows. I don't know whether it's because I'm getting older or because of the issues the project has had up to this point. After hearing this casting choice however, I have to admit this has got me much more excited about it all.
 
The show is focused on a character named number one who is not a Captain... yet

This is just complete speculation but Jason Isaacs is a higher than usual caliber actor. I can't imagine him being around the whole series, maybe just the first season or two. It's likely that at some point we will see Number One take his place since we are following her journey. It might be just that more symbolic and safer to have that be a white male character she replaces opposed to another female or actor of diverse background.
 
Does anybody know how long it's taking them to film an individual episode? Because knowing that would give us an idea as to how quickly Captain Lorca shows up in the series relative to its overall narrative and seasonal episode count.
I know some of the older shows took like 8 days or somewhere around there so if that's still the case, and they're filming them in order, they should be 4-6 episodes into the season by now.
 
^ It wouldn't surprise me if they're still shooting the pilot. They're not on a tight schedule requiring them to produce 26 episodes in a year, so they can take a little more time which is what they appear to be doing. If I'm not mistaken, they plan to shoot until September.
 
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