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Jango clones, from where to where?

JesterFace

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Like we know all Stormtroopers in 'Attack of the Clones' are based on Jango Fett but how long did that last?
Many years later, like in episode 4, are Stormtroopers clones of another person or just hired guns because in 'A New Hope' onwards they don't sound like Temuera Morrison.

Basically, from where to where are Storntroopers clones of Jango Fett?
 
Production of the clones stopped with the end of the war. There were a small number of clones who were still serving in the Empire by ANH (well, at least one, possibly only one), but nearly all the Stormtoopers were normal conscripts and volunteers. The transition was gradual, as clones aged out of fighting condition (remember, they grew old at twice the normal rate, so by ANH, the first generation of clones would've been the equivalent of their early 50s, and the youngest ones would've been 40-ish, and cracking heads and harassing malcontents is a young clone's game). In Obi-Wan Kenobi, we saw one clone soldier was begging on the street, so it seems the Empire's pension program wasn't particularly generous.
 
The Bad Batch seems to be covering this idea of when the Empire decommissioned the clones in favor of volunteers and conscripts.

However the Rebellion definitely had some clones fighting against the Empire all the way to the Battle of Endor.
 
Stormtroopers are not clones. Clonetroopers are clones. As we're seeing in Bad Batch, shortly after ROTS the Empire suspended production of clones and began training recruits to become stormtroopers. Clonetroopers continued to serve the Empire during this transition period until they eventually were retired off.

So, the short answers is basically
Prequel Trilogy: Troopers are Clones.
Original Trilogy: Troopers are recruits
Sequel Trilogy: Troopers are people indoctrinated from childhood
 
Some Stormtroopers are Jango clones, but it's a very very very very VERY tiny amount.
I think we only know of 2-3 so far.
 
Probably because Jango clones knew how to shoot.

I remember reading a comic story telling the story of a Stormtrooper's journey... he starts by betraying another person in his village and saying he wants to join up, then proving his loyalty by murdering the guy. Then, there's a brutal selection process, then training, and other things... then we see him charging in to take Leia into custody, right at the start of "Star Wars", I guess they call it "A New Hope" now. And she fries him, just before getting stunned.
 
We got to see a little bit of Stormtrooper cadet training with 14-16 year olds in Rebels. And it was very much winner takes all, bump off the losers to get ahead kind of training. Working together was not exactly encouraged, but not entirely frowned upon. Though part of the training process seems to be an effort to weed out potential Force Sensitive people for the Inquisitors.
 
It's probably worth mentioning that Stormtroopers were said to be clones (though mostly from non-Jango templates) until Lucas noticed how kids that had grown up with the Clone Wars show started to get upset when watching the OT seeing their heroes being villains. I forget exactly when the flip happened (probably around 2011-2012) but I'm pretty sure the official position on this changed to "Stormtroopers are mostly conscripts" a little while before he sold the company.

Not that this invalidates the idea or anything, just keeping in mind that certain elements can be a little fluid until firmly nailed down in a story. And by "firmly nailed down" I don't mean a passing mention in some novel or reference book, but actually seeing it happen on 'The Bad Batch'.

As for where things stand at the moment: I think it's a safe bet that the vast majority of the clone army was out of service inside of a decade. The only ones that would have still even been in fighting condition by the time of the OT would have been the youngest batches that hadn't even seen combat by the end of the war. Indeed we see a bunch of Daniel Logan clones led away from Tipoca City right before the blasted it into the ocean, but no indication of what became of them. Could have been reassigned to an Imperial Army unit, could have been fed into the Death Trooper program for cybernetic enhancements and extra conditioning to lock down any resistance to the inhibitor chips, could have been repurposed as sanitation staff, could have been dumped at a penal colony, could have simply been terminated. Could have been a combination of several or all of these on a case by case basis. We just don't know yet.
 
Could it be possible that Stormtroopers from later movies are clones but not the same Jango clones that we see in 'Attack of the Clones'?

When the "Jango generation" got older maybe Palpatine decided to order a new batch that was based on some other person, not Jango.
 
Could it be possible that Stormtroopers from later movies are clones but not the same Jango clones that we see in 'Attack of the Clones'?
In Legends, some stormtroopers were clones created from non-Jango templates, mixed with left over Jango clones and regular recruits. Jango clones continued to be created up until 12BBY, 7 years after Revenge of the Sith. A group of Kaminoans went rogue and created their own clones to try and fight the empire, they failed and the empire shut down the entire project.

But in the current canon no, 99% of stormtroopers by the OT are human recruits, with handful still being old Jango clones.
 
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It's probably worth mentioning that Stormtroopers were said to be clones (though mostly from non-Jango templates) until Lucas noticed how kids that had grown up with the Clone Wars show started to get upset when watching the OT seeing their heroes being villains. I forget exactly when the flip happened (probably around 2011-2012) but I'm pretty sure the official position on this changed to "Stormtroopers are mostly conscripts" a little while before he sold the company.
While Lucas did indeed say Stormtroopers were clones, I think the old EU ignored that anyway and left them as recruits. At the very least, the novel Death Star, which was published around 2007 or so definitely had the Stormtroopers as recruits. A Stormtrooper is a character in the novel, and most definitely not a clone, while another character laments the fact that Stormtroopers aren't as polite and courteous as Clonetroopers were.
Could it be possible that Stormtroopers from later movies are clones but not the same Jango clones that we see in 'Attack of the Clones'?
No. Season 1 of The Bad Batch makes it clear why this can't be possible.
 
Up until The Bad Batch, I had assumed that the Empire shut down the cloning project but kept the clones the Republic had already paid for (to not waste resources). Meaning that new clones were not purchased after the end of the Clone Wars, but any that had would continue to be raised and trained to be soldiers until they entered the Stormtrooper Corps. If that was the route taken, the last Jango Fett clone would have entered service around 10 BBY, with those clones being the human physical equivalent of 40 year old men by the time of A New Hope. Meaning they would be still be viable soldiers, but getting older. The First Generation Clonetroopers (like Rex) would be 32 years old and be the human physical equivalent of 64 years old. This also means the Rex would look like he was in his 70s at the Battle of Endor. If Rex is still around by the time of Ahsoka, he would look like he was in his 80s, while he would actually be in his 40s. If the Empire still had some last gen Jango Fett clones (had they gone the original speculation of not wasting spent money/clones), they would be about 30 years old and look like they were about 60 years old.

Now if we take The Bad Batch into account, it is possible the Empire trained up the last groups of five year old (the young Logan looking clones) and up clones into service. If that was the case, than the last Jango Fett troopers would enter service in 15 BBY, only about four years after the end of the Clones Wars, and they would look like they would look like they are 50 years old in A New Hope.

This also means the it is entirely possible that the clone babies in the tubes that Obi-wan saw at the dawn of the Clone Wars may have been the last batch to become troopers...or were the slaughtered never to become troopers...depending on what the Empire did with the four year old clones.
 
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Even in the original Battlefront II there was a clone uprising that led to Palpatine to dismantling the clone facilities and not relying on it anymore. While not canon, it shows the idea was pretty common even before Bad Batch.
 
While Lucas did indeed say Stormtroopers were clones, I think the old EU ignored that anyway and left them as recruits. At the very least, the novel Death Star, which was published around 2007 or so definitely had the Stormtroopers as recruits. A Stormtrooper is a character in the novel, and most definitely not a clone, while another character laments the fact that Stormtroopers aren't as polite and courteous as Clonetroopers were.
Yeah, the EU had always just said they were recruits, then when Lucas said they were clones came the frantic retcons, and when he changed his mind, thence came the re-retcons. So standard EU operating procedure.
 
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