Janeway's Decision to Kill Tuvix

[R. Star]

I don't know if this has been mentioned already but, why not a lottery? Each "life" at stake gets one entry: one for Neelix, one for Tuvok and one for Tuvix. If Tuvix's name is drawn, he gets to remain Tuvix. If one of the others is drawn, the Doctor proceeds with his cure. A random solution for a random accident.

I guess that's an eloquent solution until someone decides it's your life that's the stakes in a game.

 

[Vulcan Logician]

I don't know if this has been mentioned already but, why not a lottery? Each "life" at stake gets one entry: one for Neelix, one for Tuvok and one for Tuvix. If Tuvix's name is drawn, he gets to remain Tuvix. If one of the others is drawn, the Doctor proceeds with his cure. A random solution for a random accident.

I guess that's an eloquent solution until someone decides it's your life that's the stakes in a game.

Well it's a little better than being taken to sickbay and forced into the procedure without a chance to save yourself. A 1 in 3 chance beats no chance at all.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Tuvix could have stuck a phaser to his face and said "Hold it! Next man makes a move, the n##### gets it! Drop it! Or I swear I'll blow this n#####'s head all over this Star Ship!"

 

[JarodRussell]

They should have duplicated Tuvix using the transporter (like Kirk or Riker), and then killed the evil duplicate to get evil Tuvok and evil Neelix back, duplicate those again to get good Tuvok and good Neelix, and then kill evil Tuvok and evil Neelix.

 

[R. Star]

I don't know if this has been mentioned already but, why not a lottery? Each "life" at stake gets one entry: one for Neelix, one for Tuvok and one for Tuvix. If Tuvix's name is drawn, he gets to remain Tuvix. If one of the others is drawn, the Doctor proceeds with his cure. A random solution for a random accident.

I guess that's an eloquent solution until someone decides it's your life that's the stakes in a game.

Well it's a little better than being taken to sickbay and forced into the procedure without a chance to save yourself. A 1 in 3 chance beats no chance at all.

That's like saying a fist across the jaw is better than a kick in the balls. While it's true, it doesn't really mean much.

 

[Lt. Uhura-Brown]

Janeway: "So, Mr. Tuvix. I've decided to kill you save another life."
Tuvix: "*cough*Phage*cough* Sorry captain, I seem to have got something caught in my lung. I mean throat. *cough*Phage*cough*"

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I don't know if this has been mentioned already but, why not a lottery? Each "life" at stake gets one entry: one for Neelix, one for Tuvok and one for Tuvix. If Tuvix's name is drawn, he gets to remain Tuvix. If one of the others is drawn, the Doctor proceeds with his cure. A random solution for a random accident.

They should have duplicated Tuvix using the transporter (like Kirk or Riker), and then killed the evil duplicate to get evil Tuvok and evil Neelix back, duplicate those again to get good Tuvok and good Neelix, and then kill evil Tuvok and evil Neelix.

Like everything it is all about the math.

 

[FFunctionalData]

They should have duplicated Tuvix using the transporter (like Kirk or Riker), and then killed the evil duplicate to get evil Tuvok and evil Neelix back, duplicate those again to get good Tuvok and good Neelix, and then kill evil Tuvok and evil Neelix.

i had the same idea.

 

[Vulcan Logician]

Actually, I like JarrodRussell's solution, except for one flaw. Starfleet (or the federation) does not simply kill people because they are "evil". Creates more ethical problems than it solves. But maybe drop the excess evil duplicates on a nearby M-Class planet?

R. Star:

Look, if you are facing certain death, someone offering you a 1 in 3 chance of survival might mean a great deal.

 

[Lt. Uhura-Brown]

Could they have created holographic Tuvok & Neelix on the holodeck and asked them what they'd want?

Assuming the personality emulation was good enough, that is.

 

[R. Star]

R. Star:

Look, if you are facing certain death, someone offering you a 1 in 3 chance of survival might mean a great deal.

So what? That doesn't change the fact that getting summarily executed is any less wrong than being told you have to play Russian roulette for your life.

 

[Guy Gardener]

They couldn't control the authors bias, and if they used a randomizer, then they might as well have flipped a coin.

 

[Captain Kathryn]

Dang this thread is still going!?!?!?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Tuvix is dead!

This is his memorial thread.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Tuvix's murderer is sill alive.

This thread should be a bug hunt.

If some alien of the week had killed Tuvix, Kathy would have Ahabbed him (or her) good.

 

[Vulcan Logician]

Tuvix is dead!

This is his memorial thread.

R. Star: Yeah, can see your point. Basically it was the moral dilemma that served as the theme to the episode. It is wrong either way you look at it. But what is LEAST wrong? My proposal tries to find the moral ground slightly higher than just "killing someone". There is no perfect solution. I thought that killing Tuvix was wrong. Nobody came to his defense while he was pleading for his life on the bridge... NOBODY. It's as if everyone was thinking "Look, Tuvix, everything has to be back to normal by the next episode. That's the way it works around here."

Long live Tuvix!

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I thought that killing Tuvix was wrong. Nobody came to his defense while he was pleading for his life on the bridge... NOBODY. It's as if everyone was thinking "Look, Tuvix, everything has to be back to normal by the next episode. That's the way it works around here."

OR they were thinking, "you are so creepy to look at you make Neelix look good.."

 

[Guy Gardener]

That's just because you are a woman who was brought up to find men attractive.

It didn't stick, but you remember the indoctrination.

Men on the other hand, who are still straight, somehow, do not see beauty in other men.

(I'm sure I used this quote recently)

Daryl Mitchell's character said this when he was on the John Laroquette show on the topic of sharing a bed with John Laroquette... "I have three rules! I do not sleep with men! I do not sleep with white men! And I do not sleep with ugly white men!"

To a straight man, from the 20th century, watching Voyager, Tuvix is no more attractive or unattractive than anyother man on that ship.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

To a straight man, from the 20th century, watching Voyager, Tuvix is no more attractive or unattractive than anyother man on that ship.

I forgot men were so deficient!

 

[Guy Gardener]

The 20th century was a long time ago.